================================================ Subject: Hello Everyone From: "William Elijah Horton" To: Date: Wed 5 Jun 2002 00:47:15 -0400 ================================================ Hi, I'm Elijah Horton from Kinston, NC You can check out my website here (www.elijah.barrysworld.net) and my online gaming group here (www.renaissancegames.com) I joined this discussion list to read other people's views on how Creed's music, and popular music in general, can be a positive or negative influence on spiritual issues, and what belief the band might hold in particular. I generally feel that Creed's music is obviously not blatantly Christian in design or writing. I feel that Scott Stap and Mark Tremonti do have at least a good understanding of biblical scripture and principles (you can see various portions of some verses quoted in many of Creed's songs) For those who say I'm just limiting the band to religous elements: I'm not. Creed is obviously more about social issues and self awareness. But I'm sure there are those who would find my proposed discussion interesting. Anyways. I think that much of Creed's music, in the religous context, is the equivalent of a watered down proverb or parable put to excellent music. (Yes, the music is very good, there's no need to state that here ;-) ) But I want some harder truths in the music regarding Creed's spiritual feelings, and it's something I do not see. Come out and say something that cannot be thought of in many ways. Making broad visual statements such as "To the place with golden streets" and "Where blind men see" can refereence Heaven, in most cases that is the picture brought to mind. But why not come out and call it Heaven, in the song itself? The band seems to shy away from putting itself into any one "religous" crowd, and instead tells it's listeners that maybe God's here, or maybe He's there, put never pointing straight at him. I hope this is not how the band really feels about their beliefs. The band has no agenda, understandably. It makes it much easier to not be stereotyped (that happens anyways) and allows for much more farther reaching music. I personally feel that as long as they are trying to relate to people, they make a difference in people's lives. Anyways, in replies, the question is basically: "How powerful are the messages in Creed's music?" and "What are the messages?" - Elijah P.S. Flames will be squelched. I am only trying to start a discussion, not trying to thump Bibles or anything. If you have questions about my beliefs or Christianity in general, feel free to ask me. I will gladly answer. To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp