================================================ Subject: Re: What's This Life For *censored* From: "Greg Keltner" To: Date: Wed 24 Apr 2002 05:19:18 -0500 ================================================ Give me artistic honesty over censorship any day of the week. Censoring oftentimes strips the song of its gripping power by substituting words that "sound good" and make us feel better for using them, but do not convey the original meaning the artist intended. The honesty and integrity is lost as well since what is substituted is NOT what the artist intended to convey and would have said to those who know him/her. To give an example, just yesterday morning WTLF came on the radio while I was driving the kids to school and wife to work. I let it play UNCENSORED and in its entirety. Then we discussed the meaning behind the use of the famous line. Having said that I can tell you that I don't play Disturbed or the like that has an abundance of cusswords in front of the kids OR the wife. NP - Nutshell, Alice In Chains RIP Layne Staley Tribute... http://www.scotthescht.net/layne.html -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Creed Discussion List [mailto:CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM]On -> Behalf Of Sandy Carter -> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:13 PM -> To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM -> Subject: Re: What's This Life For *censored* -> -> -> I believe that the use of what's considered foul language in -> music is merely -> a reflection of our times. In our current society, the words that are -> considered vulgar have taken on many different meanings, and to -> find them in -> music was inevitable due to our cultural vernacular. Value is given to -> these words by the reaction or attention they elicit, whether in music or -> movies, or conversation. The acceptance of any words into a -> society is the -> product of use, which desensitizes many to their original vulgarity. -> I personally don't care to use those words in general -> conversation or enjoy -> hearing them in the music that I frequent. Have I said wordy dirds? Of -> course. But only with those who I know well, and occasionally to curse -> others in cars, but I'm not proud of that. Am I ALWAYS -> offended? NO. Like -> Joe said, it's a personal theory I harbor out of respect for -> children, who -> might overhear and don't have any understanding of what's meant. -> I am also -> compelled to respect the elderly, who were raised with different morals -> and beliefs about language and what kind of a person might use them. I -> don't always find the words themselves offensive, but sometimes -> I find that -> the associations that go along with the words are a turn off to me. More -> often when I see them in songs, I see them as a less intelligent way to -> verbalize. I find myself much less likely to enjoy bands with lyrics I -> don't relate to, and likewise seek out those who create the -> music by drawing -> from a deep reflective pool of a soul. Sandy -> ----- -> From: "jim" -> To: -> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:17 PM -> Subject: Re: What's This Life For *censored* -> -> -> > I agree that the lesser language ruins the songs. If a band has talent, -> > they can do as you expressed. -> > -> > After listening to a band that usually doesn't use lesser language. I -> > felt that the newer work was not as good as a cleaner version -> would have -> > been. -> > -> > I'll buy the albums that contain cussing. But it would be better to not -> > have to listen to the cussing, just the music and with better ways to -> > express, the same thing. -> > -> > Jim -> > -> -> To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss -> list, visit: -> http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp -> -> To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp