================================================ Subject: Re: What's This Life For *censored* From: "jim" To: Date: Tue 23 Apr 2002 18:17:37 -0400 ================================================ I agree that the lesser language ruins the songs. If a band has talent, they can do as you expressed. After listening to a band that usually doesn't use lesser language. I felt that the newer work was not as good as a cleaner version would have been. I'll buy the albums that contain cussing. But it would be better to not have to listen to the cussing, just the music and with better ways to express, the same thing. Jim __________ Joe Earles wrote: >This reminds me of an old-school Computing principle: > >"Garbage in, garbage out." > >See, I'm in this really funky gray area when it comes to censoring music. >For starters, I think all the swearing in the music these days is >unnecessary and depletes the stylistic integrity of the music on a whole. I >also happen to like some of the songs out there that include that kind of >language and would rather hear them uncensored if they're going to receive >commercial airplay. By the same token, I don't buy CDs that have that kind >of language because I don't want my son learning gutter speak from daddy's >CD collection and if radio stations didn't censor the stuff I'd have to turn >off the radio entirely when my son is around. Is it a moral issue? Somewhat. >It's more a protest against bands who obviously have the talent to write >better lyrics but choose not to because their records will sell simply for >the shock value. Oh, and don't tell me it's necessary sometimes to use >profanity to express negative emotions. If that's true, why is Linkin Park's >Hybrid Theory so popular? There are some very angry sentiments in some of >those songs and not so much as a "damn" or "hell" anywhere on the disc much >less any other choice words... and here's the really good part: there isn't >a single "weak" track on the entire disc. It's VERY high quality stuff and >not a hint of objectionable material. IT CAN BE DONE. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sally Wu" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:13 AM >Subject: Re: What's This Life For *censored* > > >>What do you mean by obtuse? >>Anyway, I don't believe in censorship being a bonus...I'd love to turn on >> >the radio and be able to hear all the fucks and shits in the songs... > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Keith Mears" >>Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:31:39 -0500 >>To: >>Subject: RE: What's This Life For *censored* >> >> >>>Say, do you think you could be a bit more obtuse? Thanks! >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Creed Discussion List [mailto:CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM] On >>>Behalf Of Sally Wu >>>Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:33 AM >>>To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM >>>Subject: Re: What's This Life For *censored* >>> >>>I'm guessing you didn't interpret my meaning in the first place. >>>The bonus is not the censorship, but the video clip...for that one >>>person it would've been for both, but not for me and quite evidently not >>>for you. >>>That one person found it offensive for the use of "goddamn" in the song. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Keith Mears" >>>Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:24:03 -0500 >>>To: >>>Subject: RE: What's This Life For *censored* >>> >>> >>>>Okay, now how about YOU read properly. I know full well what you were >>>>driving at, and my question remains valid as originally asked. >>>> >>>>What the HELL is WRONG with you people, believing that CENSORSHIP, in >>>>ANY form, is a BONUS? That's just totally ridiculous, especially when >>>>one considers that many radio stations are now allowing "goddamn" to >>>> >>>go >>> >>>>UNCENSORED. It's also not uncommon to hear "shit" make it past the >>>>bleep, and even the occasional "fuck" (especially if you're hearing >>>>Disturbed). >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Sally Wu [mailto:creed@musician.org] >>>>Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:05 AM >>>>To: creed-discuss@winduplist.com >>>>Cc: kthulu@comteck.com >>>>Subject: RE: What's This Life For *censored* >>>> >>>>I don't think you got me Keith...there was a guy who really really >>>>wanted another version of What's This Life For without GD in it. Read >>>> >>>it >>> >>>>properly before you go shouting at us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com >>>http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >>> >>>To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, >>>visit: >>>http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp >>> >>> >>> >>-- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com >>http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> >>To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, >> >visit: > >>http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp >> > >To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: >http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > -- Mathematics is the only science where one never knows what one is talking about nor whether what is said is true. -- Russell To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp