Re: burning cd's and downloading music

From: "Allison Hodges" <Storm7881@AOL.COM>
To: <CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM>
Date: Thu
7 Mar 2002 09:15:53 EST

In a message dated 3/7/02 7:53:34 AM Central Standard Time, swhite@TUCKER-USA.COM writes:


   Yes, you're absolutely right.  Excuse me now while I go and download and
burn a copy of Windows XP.  I mean, Microsoft makes millions in the first
week of releasing software, so why would they care if I stole one copy from
them off the internet.  If they didn't want me doing it, they wouldn't make
it so damn expensive in the first place.
And then I think I might go out to the car lot and steal a nice new Dodge
Ram pick-up.  If they didn't want me to steal it, they should have done
something to make the trucks cost less.  The way I see it, everyone should
be able to drive a brand new truck whenever they want, and should be able to
have the most stable operating system available to them whenever they need
it.
    Most of the people who had heard Weathered when you were sending your
review were AOL users... now, this might sound odd to you, but AOL had the
ability to listen to the entire album before it's public release.  It was
all part of the fact that Creed was their Band Of The Month.  Are you making
any form of connection between this and people saying they had already heard
the album?  Before trying to shove facts about us in our faces, try doing
some research.  An archive search engine is available... I suggest you make
use of it.
    Daniel, I think it's time you reviewed copyright laws... even when
someone buys the CD, the music is still owned by the band and record
company.  That's how it works... and if you so believe that it's okay to
outright steal from them, then not only can you not truly call yourself a
fan (since you won't support the band) but I hope you don't mind people
looking at you in a new light.  And on a more personal note, I'm all for
meeting list members, but remind me to never invite you by if you ever make
it to this part of the world... I don't like associating with people who
steal.
    Oh, and a beautiful attack on Keith for something totally unrelated to
the topic of conversation.  Amazing how people call HIM the asshole.  People
can afford to pay an internet bill every month, they can afford a CD burner,
and they can afford a computer that will properly support that burner, and
they can afford to purchase blank CDR's, and yet they can't afford to buy
origional CD's?  Give me a break... it's not a matter of what people can
afford.  It's a matter of people not WANTING to support the band that made
the music, so they steal it off the internet instead.  Hence the term THEFT.
    Read below for defenitions, as it would appear you have no clue what the
terms 'theft' and copyright' mean.

***Theft \Theft\, n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e,
[thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See Thief.]
     1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and
removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner
of the same; larceny.
       Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's
consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious;  every part of the property
stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it
must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See
Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.

***copyright
       adj : (of literary or musical or dramatic or artistic work) protected
by copyright; "permission to publish copyright material" [syn: copyrighted]
       n : a document granting exclusive right to publish and sell literary
or musical or artistic work [syn: right of first publication]
       v : secure a copyright on a written work; "did you copyright your
manuscript?"

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ok i have to agree with you for the most part.. if you can afford all that then you should be able to afford new cd's too unless of course shit happens to you like it does to me.. i had burned copies that a friend gave me of MOP for the longest time... then i got a job and had bought the european and us version of both MOP and HC because i liked the band so much and i'm now trying to get every cd they have anything on.. but my CD's got stolen by some asswhole so i am left with the copies that i had made for back-up purposes, see i tend to scratch cds so the ones that i like i make a copy of so that the orginals don't  get all scratched up. also what about the unreleased songs... or things like MP3's of them in concert, woodstock etc. would burned CD's of those songs... they are the same songs, but those versions would be impossible to buy on CD.
just my two cents-
~allison~