================================================ Subject: Re: Creed on MTV From: To: Date: Tue 6 Nov 2001 06:41:47 +0000 ================================================ but who's to say what will be remembered, say, 100 years from right now?(and as much as i like godsmack right now, i doubt it'll be them...but i COULD see creed's music still being around, maybe enjoying a 'retro' resurgence) and who, in his days, would have said that shakespeare would be remembered, revered, the way he is now? who will be the famous painters of today, in 100 years? thomas kincaide? because he's got marketing behind him? who marketed mozart? who marketed shakespeare? were picasso, or renoir, or degas honored as much in their own cultures as they are today? food for thought, if nothing else... Lee -- ~~they laugh at us because we're different; we laugh at them because they're all the same~~Drowning Pool ~~Be careful what you learn, sometimes knowing burns~~Virgos Merlot > So, Veronica, would you then have us all believe that it's only a matter of > opinion that Mozart is a better artist than Godsmack? That it's a personal > belief and nothing more that Shakespeare is a better author than Tom Clancy? > I mean, this is an interesting question...but I think your stance needs to > be validated. You might be right. > > on 11/6/01 12:32 AM, Verrronica Smith at Verrronica@AOL.COM wrote: > > First of all, I didn't personally attack you....I said you're annoying in > that you continually try to persuade the fans of the band to believe that > because you're not a fan, we should likewise, not be fans of the music. I > find that terribly annoying, hence not an attack, but rather a personal > opinion. Something you keep saying we should all validate of yours, so I > respectfully maintain my rights to my own. I also did not address anything > other than exactly what you said....it needs no clarification. Lastly, as > to your last sentence included in this e-mail....why do you seem to think > that there is some sort of debate to be won here? This is music we're > discussing here...music! Music is an art form, music is a relative art > form....we're not debating the right or wrong of the death penalty > here....it's not like you can say....well the music is bad because...blah > blah blah....a! nd convince me you're right and I'm wrong. There IS no > right or wrong about MY OWN preference to music....the simple fact is, I > like it...how much you dislike it has absolutely NO effect on my opinion of > the music. You can TRY to analyize the hell out it all you want, but your > continual arguments to try to prove you're "right" about it are just that > much more annoying. Yes, annoying....I stand by that assessment. > > In a message dated 11/6/01 12:04:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Marc_Levitt@brown.edu writes: > > > To Veronica and Leigh: Personal attacks do nothing to support your case. > As a matter of fact, they damage it because they detract from what otherwise > might be interesting points. I have managed to see past your insults and > realize that you have not read my statements closely enough. Rather than > take the time to analyze what I've said, it seems you have lashed out > indiscriminately. Not the best way to win an argument. I must admit that > the above two lines are equally ad hominem and do nothing to support my own > cause. But I already argued my case and, given that (most of) the responses > have addressed things I never said, I cannot possibly hope to satisfactorily > respond to them. I stand by my previous e-mails if anyone cares to > reexamine them, and I will address a couple interesting things that were > said. (In the meantime: if you really don't want to hear opinions contrary > to your own, then that's your decision. But shouldn't exposure to differing > opinions sharpen your view of your own? A challenge to your thought > shouldn't be regarded as an insult, but as a chance to clarify why you think > the way you do.) > > > > > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp