================================================ Subject: Re: Has the band posted before? From: "creed -7m3 - live" To: Date: Wed 19 Sep 2001 23:48:43 -0400 ================================================ Very well put Jen, I agree with you pretty much about honoring and what is in the heart. I am very familiar with the Baptist denomination. Since most of my father's side of the family are Baptists. In regards to Jesus, Mary, sacred scrolls and other things. I get the ideology regarding the Christian faith. Whichever denomination that it might be. I had a long talk with "God" in one of my dreams. It was him saying to me. I created everything. Why would I require you to destroy the things that I create. In order for you to have my acceptance? Dream or not, the logic made sense. The best thing that works for me is to call on God. Before any earthly being. Be it family, country, police or rescue worker. but in regards to the good deeds thing. I always get returned. Whatever I dish out. Therefore, I watch my p's and q's with dealing with others. If I could be a ruthless person and still go to heaven. I don't think that I'd try my fortunes for it. Though some Christian faiths believe in purgatory. Where you suffer for your misdeeds. Then go off to heaven. There are all sorts of different beliefs.Even from one denomination to the other. When you actively try to be receptive to certain ideals that each denomination believes. You get a personally acceptable. But highly unaccepted set of religious beliefs. Off religion. I have noticed that you and I both spell idolatry incorrectly. (same way). But we invert the "ie" and "ei" in different words. I used to always spell their as thier. While you invert the word beleive. I guess that says that we are the same in a few ideals. but completely opposite in other things. Take care, Jim PS - The spelling correction was because of the test for the new program mailer. Not that I really care about spelling. -------------------- On Wed, 2001-09-19 at 23:04, Lvablemm@cs.com wrote: > Well I'm a Christian, Baptist denomination to be specific. I believe that > Jesus came and sacrificed his life to assure that we will no longer have to > die (eternally) for our sins, given that we accept him into our hearts and > lives as our Savior, and believe that he is the ONLY way to Heaven. Not > through good deeds, or following rules. Because no one but Jesus is or was > perfect. > > As far as idolatry is concerned, I believe that showing respect and honor to > someone or something is different from worshiping it. I love my children, > and will always hold them dear in my heart. But I do not worship them. I > love Creed. But I do not worship them. I love the USA, and the flag that > represents it, but I do not worship it. In the Bible the Israelites > protected the Ark of the Covenant because it represented their faith in God. > And God supported that, because they didn't WORSHIP it. They also held high > the scrolls, which now make up the Bible. But they did not worship them. > When it comes to idolatry today, we can also question whether it is OK to > pray to and otherwise honor the Virgin Mary, and other Saints respected by > the Catholic faith. I don't agree with doing so, but I also believe that > idolatry is ultimately what is held in a particular individual's heart. If > you worship the government, the President, the Constitution, the flag, you > are holding that above and before God. He said to "hold no other gods before > Me." If you are not doing that, you are OK. God alone will look at our > hearts and determine what's inside, and we will be held accountable. I, for > one, am very proud to have the American flag hanging outside my door. I'm > also very proud of the car I drive and the house I own, and the business I've > started. I don't worship one more than the other. Some people worship > money. Again, it lies in the heart, not the object in question. > > In my opinion... > > Jen > > In a message dated 9/19/2001 8:46:33 PM Central America Standard Tim, > creed7m3live@COLUMBUS.RR.COM writes: > > << A Christian is someone that thinks that Jesus Christ came to sacrifice > his earthly life. So that he would allow God to forgive you for your > human misgivings. Which keep you from being pure enough, for God to > accept you. > There are probably thousands of different Christian religions that > belief in the idolatry factor. > > I've heard it before and I have been exposed to many Christian factions. > A few of them believed in the idolatry factor. > > Jim > > I don't know which Christian faith that it was. But there are probably > many. >> -- Pascal Users: To show respect for the 313th anniversary (tomorrow) of the death of Blaise Pascal, your programs will be run at half speed. To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp