================================================ Subject: Re: NCR: ABSOLUTELY STUNNED - very long From: "King_Dovregubben" To: Date: Tue 28 Aug 2001 12:02:23 -0700 ================================================ Ah, support from another software pirate. > -----Original Message----- > From: Creed Discussion List > [mailto:CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM] On Behalf Of ]\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[ > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:17 AM > To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM > Subject: Re: NCR: ABSOLUTELY STUNNED - very long > > > So because Jim claimed to have read something on a website > months before actually mentioning it, this makes it okay to > make personal attacks on him for 15 days strait? And then > get all upset when he lashes back? Can any of you remember > the exact URL to every website you have read something on in > the past month? Past 2 weeks? How about the past 3 days? > And I take it that because he didn't provide a URL, that made > it okay to call him a crack user? To attack him and other > Linux users (by the way, I took the "Linux Butt Buddies" as a > personal attack, since I happen to be a Linux user, and > currently enjoy it more than Microsoft... be glad you didn't > direct it strait at me... I tend to not play as fair)? How > are you to honestly know what he has and has not seen and > read on websites? Perhaps it's possible that a site that he > visited wasn't sharing factual truth... we don't know that... > and as much as he might be at fault for not confirming what > he may have read before mentioning it to us, I don't think > once he made a direct attack on Microsoft until the point > where one of you referred to him as a druggie, and told him > to put the crack pipe down, and a couple others began to > attack such things as his grammar, his typing skill, his > intelligence, his choices, his opinions (want me to keep > going?). Not like any of that was uncalled for, right? So > what was it that fumed you all first? When I posted a virus > warning that effected only Win2K/WinNT computers, and > mentioned that I was installing Linux on one of the computers > here soon, and Jim and I began a discussion around that? God > forbid that we might actually discuss the option of a > operating system other than one produced by Microsoft, and > the benefits of using said system. Was it by chance where Jim > and I began discussing an old joke that used to float around > the internet a couple of years back that compared Windows to > a virus, using the same form of a College Term Paper? See, > the point is, not once were we outright attacking Windows... > until you guys began an assault on Linux, and people who > choose to use Linux. Don't anybody try telling me that you > were all innocent and that the comments that Jim threw out > the past 3 days were uncalled for, as he had been taking > abuse for 2 solid weeks and just rolled with it (if you would > prefer, I could go back as far into the archive as I need... > mine goes back a year... wouldn't be hard to find things from > 2 weeks ago). Keith mentioned in his post about considering > filing a complaint with Ed about the comment that Jim made. > Does this mean that Jim has right to file a complaint about > what Keith said to him on the 18th when he commented that Jim > had been using a crack pipe? Or again on the 22nd when he > again insinuated that Jim had been smoking crack? What about > the "Linux Circle Jerk Crew" comments? Were those called > for? You guys attack Jim because he posted an article about > OfficeXP instead of about WinXP, and ride his ass about it > for a week... are you even aware of who REALLY posted the > article? Or perhaps WHY they posted it? Nope... you simply > took it as another reason to attack him. Go back in the > archive. It's there. And it wasn't from Jim. You guys go > after him for his use of the term "Windoze", apparently not > even aware that is a widely enough used term that it got it's > own dictionary definition. "Microsloth Windows > /mi:'kroh-sloth` win'dohz/ n. (Variants combine Microshift, > Macroshaft, Microsuck with Windoze, WinDOS. : > Hackerism(s) for `Microsoft Windows'. A thirty-two bit > extension and graphical shell to a sixteen bit patch to an > eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit > microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that > can't stand one bit of competition. Also just called > `Windoze', with the implication that you can fall asleep > waiting for it to do anything; the latter term is extremely > common on Usenet. See Black Screen of Death and Blue Screen > of Death; compare X, sun-stools." So he chooses to use that > term. Live with it. Throughout this entire argument that you > guys have had with Jim, you haven't exactly been the innocent > listers who were attacked over and over. Wow. He took abuse > from you for 2 weeks before lashing back. I think that's > what is most surprising, and not what he said. I personally > would have lashed out much sooner. Jim must truly be a very > patient individual. But I guess all in all, you guys have > won, right? You've proven that you're capable of not only > pushing someone to the point that they feel the need to > attack back, but you're also capable of running almost any > longtime lister from here that you choose. Who's next? I > mean, Jim was probably one of the only original members left, > since he was a member here on the Creed list before most of > you even knew who Creed was. Tara's been here for 3 years... > want to start on her next? Let me give you some material. > She has a Compaq Presario 2410ES. Pretty much totally > un-upgradeable. It came with 32MB of RAM, a 3.6GB HD, and a > 266MHz processor. Obviously, she didn't know much about > computers. Feel free to cut her down for it. Of course, I'm > not saying whether she knows more about them now or not, and > apparently, it doesn't matter anyway. You cut down on Jim > for not knowing MS terms and program names, whether he knew > about computers or not. How about me. I've been here for a > year. Want some material for me? How about this. I hang > around with hackers. I converse with hackers. I share files > and programs with hackers. I have a Packard Bell M602 which > came with the same 32MB RAM, 266MHz, and 3.6GB Drive. I > fried that drive the first week I had the computer, and ended > up with a 1.6GB. Looking at my computer, you can tell that I > know pretty much nothing about them. That alone should give > you material to go after me with. But I'll continue, since I > would rather you picked on me next instead of someone else. > I have played with hackers, and have had them say that I have > one of the most secure b0x's they've come across. I use > KaZaA. I rip MP3's. I download MP3's. I burn MP3's. I > share them, too. No, I do not send money to the bands when I > download one, either. Sometimes I won't even buy the album > if I only want one song. I have 6 Operating Systems on CD. I > didn't pay for any of them. I'm not going to tell whether any > of them would have cost me money or not, but I will say that > they were all downloaded. So is this enough for you all to > start attacks on me now? Why don't you stop whining that what > he did is so wrong but what you all did was so right, and > start acting like adults, instead of like school children in > the playground. My psychology teacher had an interesting > little lesson that he used to drill into our heads at least 3 > times a day. "Live in the now... that is the only real time. > Don't bother living in the past, since it's already happened. > You can't change that. Don't linger for the future, since > it hasn't come yet, and it never will. The only true thing > you can change is what is happening at this exact moment." > Why don't you all stop living in what was said in the past, > and start moving on with your lives? Of course, that would > be the mature thing to do, wouldn't it? Although I AM > starting to doubt a lot of the presence of maturity in > several of the people, so I'll expect no change. As you were. > 'Nuff said. > > ¤]\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[¤ (who's getting real tired of the crowd > that joined recently and has only offered abuse and fighting) > Affirmative may be justified Take from one give to another > The goal is to be unified Take my hand be my brother The > payment silenced the masses Sanctified by oppression Unity > took a back seat Sliding further in regression One The only > way is one I feel angry I feel helpless Want to change the > world I feel violent I feel alone Don't try and change my > mind Society blind by color Why hold down one to raise > another Discrimination now on both sides Seeds of hate > blossom further The world is heading for mutiny When all we > want is unity We may rise and fall, but in the end We meet > our fate together One The only way is one I feel angry I feel > helpless Want to change the world I feel violent I feel alone > Don't try and change my mind > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the > Creed-Discuss list, visit: > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp