================================================ Subject: Re: NCR: ABSOLUTELY STUNNED From: "Kevin L. Brown" To: Date: Tue 28 Aug 2001 08:28:12 -0700 ================================================ No one will attack you as you haven't repeatedly made factually incorrect statements about someone's employer and livelihood. I fail to understand why some people can't see that distinction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tara" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:37 AM Subject: Re: NCR: ABSOLUTELY STUNNED > My disclaimer: > I do not dislike any currently active members of this list, so I don't mean > to attack anyone. I would much prefer that this topic were over and we > could all just get along. The following comments are my opinions, and my > personal views on the entire topic. > I defended Jim because, not counting the argument that's been going on, I > don't recall ever seeing Jim either argue or make a personal attack against > someone, in the three years that he and I have both been on this list. Not > to sound all lawyer-like here, but I believe my client was provoked into > making the comment that he did. Seriously, you (meaning "you" in the > general sense, not just Keith) can't expect to antagonize someone for weeks, > picking apart his comments, grammar, opinions, statements, personal > character, etc, and not expect him to eventually lash out. Granted, his > comment was out of line and uncalled for, even more so because it was > directed at one of the people who had pretty much dropped out of the > argument. The way I see it, was that Kevin made HIS uncalled for and rude > comment, Keith replied to it in a way that more or less confirmed it, and > Jim finally had enough and lashed out at the last person (being Keith). You > don't see that several members have been doing the same thing to Jim for > quite some time now? Going back just 10 days, here are statements directed > at Jim, from various (unnamed) listers... > "What the FUCK are you trying to say here, Jimbo? And this time, try > responding in coherent English" > "Apparently he was smoking a larger amount of crack than usual the night of > August 13th, since he has yet to be "done, for the lists best interest."" > "Attention Jimbo: Put the crack pipe down and SLOWLY BACK AWAY." > "You mean your Linux circle jerk crew?" > "Before someone could insult your integrity, you'd have to have some." > "His Linux butt buddies didn't tell him about that part." > "Bwock! Linux rocks, linux rocks, Jim wants a cracker, bwock!" > "He can't count that high." > "He is truly a glistening jewel of stupidity in a sea of mediocrity." > You don't think any of these were possibly uncalled for, possibly could be > perceived as a personal attack, possibly are false? You don't think any of > these statements (or the ones I didn't include) would have caused Jim to > lose respect for the people making said comments? > For the record, Jim has e-mailed me privately... hopefully he won't mind me > invading his privacy by posting part of what he said: "I did unsubscribe > and am sorry for the prison xxx issue. " Obviously, he can't apologize to > you in person, as you have him blocked. Jim made ONE personal attack, after > weeks of taking it from other people without responding in kind. > Also for the record: I just want to reiterate that I don't want to fight > with anyone (including Keith, Kevin, King, et al), but it just irritates me > to no end when people gang up and attack one person. Of course, that's > likely to happen to me now... I just hope that there are a few people on the > list who'll be willing to stick up for me, and realize that there are some > valid points in my statements (even if they don't necessarily agree with > them). > > From: Keith P. Mears > To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:13 AM > Subject: NCR: ABSOLUTELY STUNNED > > I wasn't going to reply to this any further than what I already have, but > when Debbi actually TOLD me what Jim said, I felt I HAD to go further. > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp