================================================ Subject: Re: NCR: ABSOLUTELY STUNNED From: To: Date: Tue 28 Aug 2001 13:30:23 EDT ================================================ I have to agree with you, Tara. I skipped through alot of the arguing myself, but what I saw was pretty nasty. And I have to wonder what makes Jim's comment so much worse than the "butt buddies" comment? Or the "circle Jerk" comment? Hmm?? Double standards? Not saying that what ANYBODY said was right, but eye for an eye. Expect no less. Jen In a message dated 8/28/2001 2:41:25 AM Central America Standard Tim, tknapp@TUCKER-USA.COM writes: << My disclaimer: I do not dislike any currently active members of this list, so I don't mean to attack anyone. I would much prefer that this topic were over and we could all just get along. The following comments are my opinions, and my personal views on the entire topic. I defended Jim because, not counting the argument that's been going on, I don't recall ever seeing Jim either argue or make a personal attack against someone, in the three years that he and I have both been on this list. Not to sound all lawyer-like here, but I believe my client was provoked into making the comment that he did. Seriously, you (meaning "you" in the general sense, not just Keith) can't expect to antagonize someone for weeks, picking apart his comments, grammar, opinions, statements, personal character, etc, and not expect him to eventually lash out. Granted, his comment was out of line and uncalled for, even more so because it was directed at one of the people who had pretty much dropped out of the argument. The way I see it, was that Kevin made HIS uncalled for and rude comment, Keith replied to it in a way that more or less confirmed it, and Jim finally had enough and lashed out at the last person (being Keith). You don't see that several members have been doing the same thing to Jim for quite some time now? Going back just 10 days, here are statements directed at Jim, from various (unnamed) listers... "What the FUCK are you trying to say here, Jimbo? And this time, try responding in coherent English" "Apparently he was smoking a larger amount of crack than usual the night of August 13th, since he has yet to be "done, for the lists best interest."" "Attention Jimbo: Put the crack pipe down and SLOWLY BACK AWAY." "You mean your Linux circle jerk crew?" "Before someone could insult your integrity, you'd have to have some." "His Linux butt buddies didn't tell him about that part." "Bwock! Linux rocks, linux rocks, Jim wants a cracker, bwock!" "He can't count that high." "He is truly a glistening jewel of stupidity in a sea of mediocrity." You don't think any of these were possibly uncalled for, possibly could be perceived as a personal attack, possibly are false? You don't think any of these statements (or the ones I didn't include) would have caused Jim to lose respect for the people making said comments? For the record, Jim has e-mailed me privately... hopefully he won't mind me invading his privacy by posting part of what he said: "I did unsubscribe and am sorry for the prison xxx issue. " Obviously, he can't apologize to you in person, as you have him blocked. Jim made ONE personal attack, after weeks of taking it from other people without responding in kind. Also for the record: I just want to reiterate that I don't want to fight with anyone (including Keith, Kevin, King, et al), but it just irritates me to no end when people gang up and attack one person. Of course, that's likely to happen to me now... I just hope that there are a few people on the list who'll be willing to stick up for me, and realize that there are some valid points in my statements (even if they don't necessarily agree with them). >> To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp