================================================ Subject: Re: Origins ... From: "creed -7m3 - live" To: Date: Sat 25 Aug 2001 04:06:37 -0400 ================================================ Competitors Charge Microsoft with New Anticompetitive Conduct in Windows XP ProComp issues a second whitepaper: Passport to Monopoly, http://www.procompetition.org/headlines/WhitePaper6_21.pdf claiming Microsoft plans to leverage its desktop monopoly to dominate the emerging market for Web services, June 21, 2001. Microsoft to XP users: Passport Required, http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20010621/tc/microsoft_to_xp_users_passport_required_1.html CNet News.com, June 21, 2001 Group Says Microsoft's XP Raises Antitrust Anew , April 26, 2001 ProComp's Whitepaper argues that Microsoft is tying its Media Player 8 to Windows XP in much the same way as it tied the browser to Windows 95. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20010426/tc/tech_microsoft_player_dc_1.html Editorial http://www.igc.org/trac/feature/microsoft/ On Sat, 2001-08-25 at 03:05, King_Dovregubben wrote: > Christ. Where to start? > > 1. Most companies charge for their products. Why shouldn't Microsoft? Which "most companies" are still out there? (Software related) > 2. There is no subscription, only a reworking of the corporate site > licensing. This has been proven over and over again. What reworkings? The charging, by subscription? I admit that the licensing issue is rather confusing to me. > 3. The reason there is so much in the way of discrediting your comments > because they are full of shit. Perhaps if you got them from somewhere > other than out of your ass, this wouldn't be the case. I sure hope that the things that I posted don't come to pass. I still would like to see the controversial posting that I made. > 4. And finally, YES, it IS your job to back up your claims with > something. If you don't, then you can fully expect to have those claims > completely destroyed by people who DO back them up with sources. Explain the reworking of the corporate site licenses. I'm a bit confused about it. > 5. There was no deflection. There was simply a host of people pointing > out that you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about. It wasn't XP OS, it was about XP Office. You can choose not to go the subscription route. > 6. Yes, you really should back off. You are digging yourself a rather > deep hole. > I'll back off! Except I would still like to know about the pricing for XP and if there is a Subscription version. (Choice or not) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Creed Discussion List > > [mailto:CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM] On Behalf Of creed -7m3 - live > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:57 PM > > To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM > > Subject: Re: Origins ... > > > > > > My sources haven't been ripped to shreds. Since the Microsoft > > idea for charging for software. On a subscription basis were > > correct. Though the XP operating system was not marked as > > having a subscription option. > > > > But, the fact that there is so much in the way of > > discrediting my comments about the issue and my overall > > credibility are reasons for me to persist with the discussion. > > > > About looking up the sources. Before I make a post. I don't > > think that my job is to be a reporter with disclosed sources > > and references. > > > > Naive or a liar!!!! I hardly think so!!!!!! > > > > Send me the original post. Since I empty my send mail > > occasionally and don't have the "source". > > > > For you to think that any 12 year old child would think that > > the scheme regarding subscriptions and forced upgrades, to > > not being legitimate. I hardly think that the case would be > > there. Look how much deflection has been given towards saying > > it was XP Office. (Different animal, but same > > outcome.) > > > > I'll be quiet about the whole SW issue. But, to reference > > personal attacks about things related to my search attempts > > or dictionary references. I needed to bring up the related topic. > > > > Jim > > > > > > On Sat, 2001-08-25 at 02:16, Kevin L. Brown wrote: > > > Ill equipped? > > > > > > Your sources have been ripped to shreds. You've been shown to be > > > naive at best and a flat out liar at worst. You post > > things that any > > > 12 year old who thought things through for 10 seconds would know > > > couldn't be the case. > > > > > > Ill equipped indeed. > > > > > > > > > How about you just be quiet about software for a week? > > You've shown > > > you can't be bothered to look up sources before posting, so > > just don't > > > post. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "creed -7m3 - live" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: Origins ... > > > > > > > > > > The reason that I am starting to feel even more strongly > > about the > > > > microsoft subscription issue is the way that a lot of rather ill > > > > equiped people would like to reduce my credibility to nil. > > > > > > > > If you think that outdated material is what I have found. That is > > > > great!!! ... I just hope that the climate for Microsoft to start > > > > charging people a monthly fee for software is pretty much tensed > > > > public towards the ability for them to start such a scheme. > > > > > > > > Don't you think that you could stop this worthless search engine > > > > crap!!!! > > > > > > > > Here is a dictonary definition for Microsoft. > > > > Microsoft The new Evil Empire (the old one was IBM). The basic > > > > complaints are, as formerly with IBM, that (a) their > > system designs > > > > are horrible botches, (b) we can't get source to fix them, and (c) > > > > they throw their weight around a lot. See also Halloween > > Documents. > > > > > > > > Halloween Documents n. A pair of Microsoft internal strategy > > > > memoranda leaked to ESR in late 1998 that confirmed everybody's > > > > paranoia about the current Evil Empire. These documents > > > > (http://www.opensource.org/halloween/) praised the technical > > > > excellence of Linux and outlined a counterstrategy of > > attempting to > > > > lock in customers by "de-commoditizing" Internet protocols and > > > > services. They were extensively cited on the Internet and in the > > > > press and proved so embarrassing that Microsoft PR barely said a > > > > word in public for six months afterwards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2001-08-25 at 01:32, Keith P. Mears wrote: > > > > > Wow! You DO know how to do a "Search". Too bad the only thing > > > > > you ever seem to come up with is either a dictionary entry or > > > > > badly outdated. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "creed -7m3 - live" > > > > > To: "Keith P. Mears" > > > > > Cc: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:20 AM > > > > > Subject: Origins ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I heard the phrase from people that were Jewish. But, > > I looked > > > > > > up the definition Yiddish and came up with the below > > definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yiddish Yid"dish, n. G. j"udisch, prop., Jewish, fr. Jude > > > > > > Jew. See Jew, Jewish. > > > > > > A language used by German and other Jews, being a Middle > > > > > > German dialect developed under Hebrew and Slavic influence. > > > > > > It is written in Hebrew characters. > > > > > > > > > > > > For schmuck, I got the below: > > > > > > schmuck > > > > > > n : someone unpleasantly strange or eccentric > > syn: creep, weirdo, > > > > > > weirdie, weirdy, spook > > > > > > > > > > > > No definition regarding the origin.I tried German > > translation to > > > > > > English. It returned decoration. I tried Russian to > > English and > > > > > > got schyumuchk. I guess the translator could qualify > > the word as > > > > > > being Yiddish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Done... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss > > > > > list, > > > visit: > > > > > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > > > > -- > > > > Where am I? Who am I? Am I? I > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss > > > > list, > > > visit: > > > > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the > > Creed-Discuss list, > > > visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > > -- > > Where am I? Who am I? Am I? 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