================================================ Subject: Re: Was - Another one for Win2K and NT users.. Now - Virus != Hacker From: "Kevin L. Brown" To: Date: Tue 7 Aug 2001 13:40:36 -0700 ================================================ So basically your defense of Linux is that it makes it easy for real hackers? That's an interesting defense. ----- Original Message ----- From: "]\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: Was - Another one for Win2K and NT users.. Now - Virus != Hacker > You think I don't know that? It's not a hacker that uses a virus to > compromise computer security and gain access to systems... that's a "lamer". > A "hacker" that uses a backdoor isn't a hacker... in fact, he's a laughing > stock among real hackers. Of course, real hackers don't go around just to > destroy computers. > The small write-up is borrowed from a friend's website, and explains a > slight difference between a hacker, and a "hacker" that uses virii and > backdoors to access systems... > > "There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, > but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of > breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call > these people `crackers' and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers > mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and > object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more > than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. > Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the > word `hacker' to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end. > The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them." > -Eric Steven Raymond > > It was taken from the Hacker definition at > http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=hacker > Another example of what a hacker really is... > > From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (13 Mar 01) : > hacker > (Originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe) > 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how > to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn > only the minimum necessary. > 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys > programming rather than just theorizing about programming. > 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value. > 4. A person who is good at programming quickly. > 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using > it or on it; as in "a Unix hacker". (Definitions 1 through 5 are > correlated, and people who fit them congregate.) > 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, > for example. > 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or > circumventing limitations. > 8. (Deprecated) A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive > information by poking around. Hence "password hacker", "network hacker". > The correct term is cracker. The term "hacker" also tends to connote > membership in the global community defined by the net (see The Network and > Internet address). It also implies that the person described is seen to > subscribe to some version of the hacker ethic. It is better to be described > as a hacker by others than to describe oneself that way. Hackers consider > themselves something of an elite (a meritocracy based on ability), though > one to which new members are gladly welcome. Thus while it is gratifying to > be called a hacker, false claimants to the title are quickly labelled as > "{bogus" or a "{wannabee}". > 9. (University of Maryland, rare) A programmer who does not understand > proper programming techniques and principles and doesn't have a Computer > Science degree. Someone who just bangs on the keyboard until something > happens. For example, "This program is nothing but spaghetti code. It must > have been written by a hacker". > > Anyway, I'm way off topic now, so I'll just end this on the final note that > if you get sent a virus, it's not a hacker... it's just another lamer with > too much time on their hands. > Kinda off-subject... does anyone have a copy of the joke where it proves > that the Windows Operating System is a virus? I used to have it, but can't > find it now... {=o/ > > ¤]\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[¤ > http://NightStorm.isyourgod.com/ > NightStorm_Draco_@hotmail.com > NightStorm_Draco@creedlist.com > NightStorm@isyourgod.com > I've seen the wicked fruit of your vine, Destroy the man who lacks a strong > mind > Human pride sings a vengeful song Inspired by the times you've been walked > on > My stage is shared by many millions, Who lift their hands up high because > they feel this > We are one We are strong, The more you hold us down the more we press on > What if you did? What if you lied? What if I avenge? What if eye for an eye? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin L. Brown > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: Another one for Win2K and NT users > > > > That's because hackers don't need worms and viruses to gain access to your > > machine. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "]\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:03 AM > > Subject: Another one for Win2K and NT users > > > > > > > Geez... makes me glad that I'm too damn stubborn to bother upgrading my > > > version of Windows... thinking my next upgrade is going to be to a > > dual-boot > > > system running Linux. Hardly ever see a virus warning for that OS. > > > -NightStorm > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp