================================================ Subject: Re: Flags and NWO From: "Creed - 7M3 - Live" To: Date: Sun 5 Aug 2001 07:31:53 -0400 ================================================ Keith P. Mears wrote: > . I believe that states should be more powerful than the federal government. The federal government should be only there to aid in issues that effect the interactions between states and international issues, concerning defense of the states. >> > > Well, that would pretty much defeat the purpose of "The UNITED States of > America". And who would run such a government? The presidency would be > pretty much moot (kinda like now, with Dubya!), so there goes the "checks and balances" system, which would leave Congress to do pretty much whatever they want (or do you envision dissolving Congress as well?). My stance on the issue of a loose federal government is mainly due to the fact that the federal government gets moneys from all over the country. But then appropriates moneys back to the states. But with strings attached to force thier compliance. Examples of this would be the 55 MPH speed limit. The 21 drinking age and the lowered legal limit of blood to alcohol down to a lesser level. I don't believe that the federal government should tax us for things that will be redistributed to the states eventually. Especially if it dictates policies of a state. I do realize that a federal "kitty" is needed to aid areas that would not be able to afford improvements without the aid of more economically positive areas of the nation as a whole. I believe that states should have the right to make thier own laws concerning drinking, drugs, prostitution, flags that they fly. Gun laws, speed limits and the like. Basically, if it doesn't concern the national defense of the common defense of the nation or help to build the infrastructure of the nation. (Dams, roads, educational chances, etc;) Then the states should have the free and not blackmailed right to do so. The federal government ought not be able to take land from Alaska. without permission from Alaskan residenced people. Especially, since the government pays people to not produce from wells that are already available in other states. Such as West Virginia. Again, there is the federal government throwing away our tax dollars and feeding us BS about less dependence on foreign oil. Why don't they concentrate on efficiency of fuel consumption. Instead of commerce to the wilderness areas. It's too darn cold up there for my concerns. I am not a tree hugger or care much about the wildlife up there. But why kill what others u there enjoy having? > > >>A flag is a dangerous thing to have and is a thing that could make >>someone support a country merely by the ensign that it carries. >> > > Personally, I feel that a person who supports a country (or ideology) merely > because of a FLAG is a moron anyway. I'm not a patriotic American because > of a flag, I'm a patriotic American because I support the idea(l)s upon > which this nation was built (and for those idea(l)s, check out the U.S. > Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Also, the > Confederate flag was a symbol of much more than just slavery, but you knew > that, right? As long as you would not fight for a flag for the flags sake. But hold on to fight for the ideals. It is not a hinderance. I just don't think I'd hold on to fighting for the same flag. if the principles of the country were no longer there. About the Confederate flag. I am not sure of what other principles were held by the supporters of the Confederation of states. Except for slavery, which is held by many. But, I can't see that slavery was the only issue that the confederacy was based on. I feel that it was more based on less federal governmental control and more choices available to the states. I believe that this particular ideal was purposefully covered by the slavery issue. As must be obvious, I am in no way that knowing of the full relation of central control on the US survival. Nor the EU or the African model of the states. But our government is actually based on the 5 indian nations of the northern hemisphere. which is a weak national and strong state. > > >>Don't you worry too much on that issue. The new world order will make >>your concerns of being part of the US officially a minor issue. >>We'll have pay toilets in our houses! Anything to give the greedy an edge. >> > > The "new world order"? You must mean the world order that has the European Union and the Organization of African States, both of which are modeled after our own federal government (however loosely). Actually, I'm talking about the ideal that you can run all nations out of one principle. That is, we make the rules. You are our game. Thus, we will use your citizens. Make a profit from them and pollute thier nation. Granted, the EU and African council may be for the betterment of thier regions. May be modelled after the US government and the like. My fear is that all our jobs and standards of living might be ridden by the councils of wealth and control. Especially in a centrally controlled environment. Jim -- Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!) Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace, And saw, within the moonlight in his room, Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom, An angel writing in a book of gold. Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold, And to the presence in the room he said, "What writest thou?" The vision raised its head, And with a look made of all sweet accord, Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord." "And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay not so," Replied the angel. Abou spoke more low, But cheerly still; and said, "I pray thee then, Write me as one that loves his fellow-men." The angel wrote, and vanished. The next night It came again with a great wakening light, And showed the names whom love of God had blessed, And lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest. -- James Henry Leigh Hunt, "Abou Ben Adhem" To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp