================================================ Subject: Re: Perhaps this will be a "Later to all the real listers" From: "Jon" To: Date: Tue 19 Jun 2001 16:11:55 -0700 ================================================ As I mentioned in another mail (different thread) -- our church group is looking forward to the new album. I hope it's every bit as spiritual as the last! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Creed" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Perhaps this will be a "Later to all the real listers" > creed and religion go hand in hand. look at the music they made, cant argue > it wasnt religious. heck, i started really reading my bible cuz of creed. > some of thier later stuff was pretty dark, but overall id say they are just > a bunch of down home boys. > > > >From: Tara > >Reply-To: Tara > >To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM > >Subject: Re: Perhaps this will be a "Later to all the real listers" > >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:50:54 -0400 > > > >*sigh* > >I think this makes the four thousand three hundred and sixty-third > >"disagreement" I've seen on this list... Jon, seriously, this topic has > >been > >beaten to death several times in the past. > >"My religion is better than your religion" > >"no it's not" > >"Yes it is! And you're going to hell unless you change your mind, because > >my > >beliefs are the only RIGHT beliefs" > >And so on... > >Let me say first that I don't think old-timers have more say than > >newbies... > >however, in cases like this, the people who've been on the list a while > >know > >how this whole thing goes. I myself have seen almost the exact same > >argument more times than I care to remember. I've seen several old-timers > >leave, and it's usually because the "newbies" insist that just because > >they've joined the list, things are going to go THEIR way, and they'll > >behave however they want on the list. It's easier to just unsubscribe than > >it is to argue with an unarmed person. > >I am also going to suggest, very nicely, that this would be a wonderful > >time > >to drop the entire discussion, and find something less inflamatory to > >discuss. You shouldn't go around telling people they're wrong because they > >have different beliefs than you, and attempting to force said beliefs upon > >others. There are many different religious ideas among the members of this > >list, and 90% of the time, it's not a problem... we just agree to disagree. > >As for your discussion with NightStorm... well, when you start hassling > >someone who's been around a while, you may find out that their friends will > >support them, even when they have different opinions. I have friends with > >very different opinions than my own, who will still support me if someone > >tells me my OPINIONS are wrong... because they believe in each person's > >right to have their own opinions without being bashed for them. In a lot > >of > >things, such as religion, there's really no way to tell what's absolutely > >true or not... religion is a matter of faith... I don't think people with > >different views than my own are wrong, their views just don't agree with my > >own. So please don't tell other people that they're wrong just because > >they > >disagree with you. There are as many different opinions as there are > >people > >in the world. > >Enough of that... I'm starting to ramble yet again... lol > >Tara > > > >To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, > >visit: > >http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp