================================================ Subject: Re: NCR: Virtual reality - bad aspects 3 From: "Creed - 7M3 - Live" To: Date: Thu 31 May 2001 22:49:20 -0400 ================================================ fmn wrote: > Ok. I just remembered something I forgot to mention concerning the > "deception" theory. I guess everybody creates his/her own opinion or > even image of how the person on the other side of the computer screen is > like. And (this is sorta psychological here) I think most people just > imagine their friends to be what they themselves want their friends to > be. (This phenomenon also exists in real life, but I guess the fact of > "hiding" behind a computer screen makes it even easier for people to > create certain images of people they talk to on the net. And count out > the part about sending pictures with e-mail. What I mean by "image" is > the basic idea that represents a person and his/her character, not that > much the visual aspects, i.e. the looks - not that visual aspects ever > had to do with character, anyhow). > We all seem to realize that the pictures may be phoney and that you might be getting an illusion of what the other person wants you to think of them. I seem to just talk subjects and not too personal. Though I have with certain people more personally.but stayed with the topic. Not on romance, but friendship > So, this adds up to the "illusionary and deceitful" nature of virtuality. > > I think it also has to do with senses (dahhhh! what am I talking about > the whole time??) ok. so let me rephrase that: it has to do with senses > as I've already mentioned. I mean let me just come back to your > statement (which I so much liked btw): < hands/eyes. We are "seeing" what was just "touched" in. You > are percieving me touching with my hands and making words you may > understand. Since i can't hear you. Also, I can't see you. So _I am > blind in a way to see who i'm communicating with_.>> (btw, sorry about > being so obsessed with this one quote of yours, but I sincerely like it) > > See, here are the senses that are excluded from the electronic > communication and if that doesn't limit our ability of perception of > reality, then what does? > > Plus, look at it this way: we thought about the deeper reality which is > not perceptible with our 5 senses, so what about the virtual reality > then? That would make it an inferior reality to the "normal" reality in > respect of orientation. But I think the real problem consists of the > mixture of those two realities, because most of the times I get the > impression that people are not fully aware that this kind > of communication is another level of reality - they rather seem to be > stuck with the idea that it somehow /is/ the "real"/ "normal" > reality which is just not the case. And they won't realize it until > something happens to them that makes them realize it. Hope you're > getting me here(?) > I don't mind you liking anything that I say. It actually makes me feel that I am not just wasting time. Since someone is actually helped out by what comes to my mind. The best thing about the Internet is that the blind can take part with the seeing. The deaf can take part with the hearing and handicaps are not as much as a handicap. since we are on pretty much equal ground. Plus, I like the support that you can give other people to encourage them to overcome hard times. Endure having to devote thier time to education and needing an outlet. > So, this is where my skepticism originates from. Maybe I'm the one being > paranoid here. Maybe people that just enjoy the virtual reality with > common sense (as in not involving themselves too much) are on the right > track. But this is how I feel (I think I've mentioned it like thousand > times). Another great thing about the internet is that people that are in hard pressed nations can get encouragement from talking to people from other lands. I know several people that really enjoy the escape from thier reality of suppresion. > > Coming back to the virtual friends issue. I would like to say something > like: But I know you're different, I know you're a decent guy.. but I > can't say it, simply bacause of the fact that I /don't /know. On the > other hand, I _DO _(like hell) enjoy talking to you, because of what you > say and what this shows about your character (even if it's just a tiny > bit of it). > > So, please don't feel offended!!!! That's the last thing I would like to > be accused of. > > No offense taken. And you know that I don't live a foolproof life. Since there are always things that happen along the way on living. But I'm pretty settled down. But with no halo. Take care, Jim > > later > > > > Ewa -- If researchers wrote nursery rhymes... Little Miss Muffet sat on her gluteal region, Eating components of soured milk. On at least one occasion, along came an arachnid and sat down beside her, Or at least in her vicinity, And caused her to feel an overwhelming, but not paralyzing, fear, Which motivated the patient to leave the area rather quickly. -- Ann Melugin Williams To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp