================================================ Subject: Re: LOst Faith From: "Creed - 7M3 - Live" To: Date: Thu 17 May 2001 22:46:03 -0400 ================================================ Jackson, So you were supposed to get babtized as a Christian on Christmas! Well, you stabbed the bible on my birthday. Since i was born on Dec 18th (many years prior to 1998). When I was babtized at a church that my family was going to. I went out and had a beer after I was done with the babtism. A lot of people looked astonished at my action. I mean I didn't think it was any kind of immoral action. Anyway, exactly a year after my babtism. I met some major stumbling block and kind of voided the babtism. Since it seemed to do nothing more than break me from a true spiritual pursuit. Plus, the Church was closed down for immoral actions by the people that were deacons, ministers, etc. I always was amazed at how much donated labor that they got people to do for the church and how many times that they passed around the donation plates. Basically, you can't undo being emersed in water. But you can realize how much of religion is to filter minds into thier wishes and how much is pure greed. I believe in a helping spirit that directs one to "supernatural" (AKA - impossible otherwise in the physically and time restricted environment of reality) About not wanting any more messages trying to convert you to a religious perspective. This one is definately going to either say that you killed Christ or that you will be serranaded by the doors song titled "Come On Baby, Light My Fire" - sung by the "devil" itself. I'm not one of those that would say that to you, on my behalf. Since I realize that the book is a published edition of a tainted view of some with ulterior motives to control the masses. The words of God are not in printed format. Nor, is he going to Email you off of the Internet. Like some faiths have expected. What I'm saying basically. You can only deny the existence of a super being. Since the being is more of a cosmic friend. Not a website, skyslide nor printed manual. I guess my viewpoints are that there may be a conglomerated force of energy and matter that can be directed by your own thoughts upon departure from the living. You can't deny the unknown. Nor can you confirm the unknown. But you can represent it with the idea that it is what you do know and what you suppose that make the void of the unknown less vast. A theory that I have is that the lying and manipulating forces come to a problem upon departure from the living. Since thier knowledge of the truth is so faded. Therefore, when they depart. there is nothing but dissapated energy. On the other edge, there are the truthful or "real" people that guide thier lives on what is concrete. Therefore, this energy/matter transition is organized. My theory flaw is that there are those that have "direction" and consistency and stay in thier set ways of hate. Thier hate is real and thier direction and consistency is real also. Basically, you don't have to be nice to be real or directed. But you better concentrate on being one of the more "treat others, as you would have them treat you". Since one day, you might have to come into some sort of a collision with "the forces of evil" Being that infinity is said to be so vast, without an end. I doubt that the forces would even be close to each other occupying the voids of the universe. Now, if these forces of "good" and "evil" run the world like we would run a video game. Then thier links to the physical world must be controlled by the actions of the living. I'd prefer to end up with the forces of "treat me like you'd like to be treated". That is if you don't like abuse yourself. I try to treat others as I would like to be treated myself. What it does, I can only suppose. I know it isn't helping me to get rid of the gluttons of the world. Just yet. I'd like to see all of the oil monarchists combust as a rag with grease on it. That would prove to me that there was a God. With no question. It would also set a good example to the gluttons that thier time has come and GONE. Forget this live a deprived life, take others abuses and you will be rewarded in the afterlife crap. i know at least that you got to learn things from birth to death. When you are born. You are helpless. You only learn the concepts to control your destiny by interacting with other people. But, I know that some of your interactions are automated by people in your ancestry. I'll stop here! But had more thoughts! JC ----------------------------- Jackson Crawford wrote: > I must say that, as you probably know, I can really relate to this message, >Matt. > Yeah, and the religious community of the list will be shocked to hear this, >I used to be a very devout Southern Baptist. On 18 December, 1998, one week >before I was supposed to be baptized, I stabbed my Bible with a metal cross >(I love the irony to this day), publicly announced (in several different >places) that no god existed and that no god had ever existed, swore to >atheism, and said my last prayer - "God, if you do exist, no matter my deeds >in this life, you can send me to hell for not believing in you, 'cause I >don't give a damn any more, so f*** you. A-f***-in' men!" You see, I was >less mature then. But basically I figured that I couldn't reconcile my >position within Corvism with my position within Christianity, and I >sacrificed the latter for the former because I decided that I didn't really >believe any of the latter anyway. To this day I am glad that I made that >choice. > As Eve-6 says, "...nothing but faith in nothing..." > So basically I see faith as somewhat contradictory to all seven of the >Corvist ideals - Alacritas (spontaneity) Volvntas (free will), Nepenthes >(not worrying), Dvbivm (doubt), Libertas (individualism), Res (realism), and >Vsvs (pragmatism). So I left it. But there are Corvist Christians, don't get >me wrong. > And as has already been demonstrated, none of those words existed in their >current incarnations back when any parts of the Bible were written, although >they do have Old English equivalents that I cannot remember right now >because I am quite tired... > Anyway, I think 'tis healthy to question your beliefs and even to lose >them. Yet I've always maintained - "I don't hate religion, I simply doubt >it." If you lose your faith, or even if you keep it, you'd be welcome in the >C.A.P.P.F.W. > See ya'round Matt. Good to see you really participating in the CreedList. >By the way, how's that girl issue of yours going? > >Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu >International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and >Perpetuation of Free Will > >-----Original Me > -- strategy, n.: A comprehensive plan of inaction. To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp