================================================ Subject: Odp: RE: christianity and CREED From: "Tatiana Istomin" To: Date: Tue 8 May 2001 17:00:34 -0400 ================================================ It can't be proven logically hence word "FAITH". >>> Jackson Crawford 05/08/01 04:51PM >>> Okay, I know, you probably think that I'm going to "flame" you or whatever, no, I respect your opines, but I just have a few questions - A) You claim that Christianity is not a "trend". This implicates that it is not growing, changing, developing, etc. in a given direction, as that is the general definition of a trend. Do you mean to imply that yours is a static faith or merely an orthodox one? Or do you mean something totally different? B) What do you mean by saying that "if what we believe isn't real then why would we be dying for our faith?"? Something does not have to be real for men to die for it. I don't understand this point at all. If we accept your statement as true, then we must believe that those who died for "other" faiths that were "not" true did not die! And what of the millions upon millions that have died in the last century of war? They may not have died for something that was tangibly "real", but they did die, there is no denying that. C) Yes, I will agree, current research indicates that a Jewish rabbi by the name of Jesus Christ (or the Hebrew equivalent thereof) did exist around the time and place of the New Testament. However, that does not mean that he was a superior being of any sort. It is likely that Jesus never claimed to the son of the Jewish god, but that Paul made most of that up decades later. But let's be logical, how can anyone prove a resurrection that supposedly occurred 2000 or so years ago? There's no way to prove that. However, if you can show me documentation of "proof" of any of this, I'd be very interested. Look, I mean no disrespect to you or to your faith. I mean only to question these statements that you seem to accept as true without much consideration. Best regards, Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and Perpetuation of Free Will -----Original Message----- From: Creed Discussion List [mailto:CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM]On Behalf Of Taylour L Manly Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:55 PM To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM Subject: Re: christianity and CREED ok i've got to stand up and say something here so prepare yourself. i am a devoute christian and we do not force people to see things our way, neither do we try to. you make us sound like freaks. we are not. i have never tried that. and please don't refer to it as 'the whole christianity thing' it is not a trend!!! i was raised like Scott and though i am still 16 i have asked alot of his questions. all of his songs have reflected all of my emotions. granted some christians get to pushy with their faith i agree with lisa, we need to be a light, and a still steady voice. if what we believe isn't real then why would we be dying for our faith. many up to date researchers have documented Christ as exisiting and they have also said the resurrection had happened, confirming Jesus is real and is Alive! you can't say that for anyone else, they're all still in the grave. as for the christian band i thought they were at first but then i looked deeper at the lyrics and figured out that they weren't. by the way listen to point of grace sometime. they don't "push " anything, well this came out wrong, but it is my belief. and we do falter to. i remember questioning God's love when he took my Grandmother home to heaven seven years ago, when she passed from cancer. and when my friends died in those car crashes i still cry at night. we are not perfect, just forgiven. i am prepared to recieve any angry flames i may recieve so let me shut down my emotions and then let them rip!!! : | X.C.F. (still love you all, even if you don't love me!) 'No matter what comes i will say yes i believe, i believe with all that is in me, yes i believe, though the world rises up against me, i will be faithful, to the choice i have made, i am determined, i will not be ashamed, to live so the whole world can see, i believe..." point of grace, i believe. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp