================================================ Subject: Re: Odp: RE: christianity and CREED From: ]\\\\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[ To: Date: Tue 8 May 2001 17:48:58 -0400 ================================================ Thank you Lisa... in most cases when I have asked, the person either fed me a "God works in ways which we might never understand" which tells me nothing... or goes on the defensive and starts spewing off quotes from the bible, which to me is nothing but quotes... it doesn't offer an actual explaination, since part of my questions involves the bible directly... then there's the third group that kinda turns and walks away rather quickly mumbling all sorts of things under their breath that I would be suprised to even hear a Christian say. So it's a nice change to actually have someone say "well honestly, I'm not really sure, but I'll ask someone else and see if they know". Very rarely do I actually hear (see?) a Christian say "I don't know" when asked something about their beliefs... it's kinda refreshing... ¤]\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[¤ http://NightStorm.isyourgod.com/ NightStorm_Draco_@hotmail.com NightStorm_Draco@creedlist.com NightStorm@isyourgod.com I've seen the wicked fruit of your vine, Destroy the man who lacks a strong mind Human pride sings a vengeful song Inspired by the times you've been walked on My stage is shared by many millions, Who lift their hands up high because they feel this We are one We are strong, The more you hold us down the more we press on What if you did? What if you lied? What if I avenge? What if eye for an eye? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa G King To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Odp: RE: christianity and CREED > first off asking questions is the only way to learn about others. If > offence was taken it was because they were not able to answer your > question in a way to make you believe in what they wanted you to. It is > not the Christians job to "make" you believe. It is the truth that will > make you believe. I can not honestly answer all of your questions as my > knowledge of the Bible and its times is not what I would wish it to be. I > will ask others I know and see if I can get an answer for you. > > On Tue, 8 May 2001 17:20:07 -0400 > =?iso-8859-1?B?XVxcW11bR317VKdU1q5ddls=?= > writes: > > I would just like to ask a couple of other questions ontop of those > > 3... > > now, I have had lots of friends who are Christian, and I have never > > had > > anything against them, nor what they choose to believe... but some > > questions > > have always kinda been there in my mind, but everytime I asked them, > > someone > > took offence. Was the Bible, the book about Christian faith, not > > written by > > the same people that believed that the entire universe revolved > > around our > > flat world? And another question that I have heard brought up by a > > couple > > people... where is the mention of prehistoric life in the bible and > > Christian faith? We know it happened... we have proof... solid > > physical > > proof... and we know that there was a period of several hundred > > million > > years where Dinosaurs cruised the world before man even existed... > > where is > > there mention of them in the bible, and what part did they play in > > it? > > Theoretically since they were the top of the food chain for all > > those years, > > there would be some mention of them somehwere, but yet the book > > seems to > > jump from the creation of the world to the creation of man... were > > some > > chapter lost? Did someone just get lazy and leave that part out? > > Who did > > they worship? What happened to them when they died if they didn't > > believe > > in the Christian God? And the bible wasn't around since the > > beginning of > > time, anymore than the Christian religion... what about everyone > > that died > > before the bible and the religion... who (or what) did they worship, > > and > > what became of them when they died? Did they get entry to heaven, > > even > > though they never knew of such a place? What's the deal? I don't > > mean to > > piss people off by these questions (why do I get a nagging feeling > > that some > > people will take it personally though), I just think that if we're > > getting > > into a religious debate, that now might be the time to ask and to > > get an > > eplaination... or at least hear some other's theories on why these > > things > > happened. > > > > ¤]\[][G}{T§TÖ®]v[¤ > > http://NightStorm.isyourgod.com/ > > NightStorm_Draco_@hotmail.com > > NightStorm_Draco@creedlist.com > > NightStorm@isyourgod.com > > I've seen the wicked fruit of your vine, Destroy the man who lacks a > > strong > > mind > > Human pride sings a vengeful song Inspired by the times you've been > > walked > > on > > My stage is shared by many millions, Who lift their hands up high > > because > > they feel this > > We are one We are strong, The more you hold us down the more we > > press on > > What if you did? What if you lied? What if I avenge? What if eye for > > an eye? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jackson Crawford > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:51 PM > > Subject: Odp: RE: christianity and CREED > > > > > > > Okay, I know, you probably think that I'm going to "flame" > > you or > > whatever, > > > no, I respect your opines, but I just have a few questions - > > > A) You claim that Christianity is not a "trend". This > > implicates that > > it is > > > not growing, changing, developing, etc. in a given direction, as > > that is > > the > > > general definition of a trend. Do you mean to imply that yours is > > a static > > > faith or merely an orthodox one? Or do you mean something totally > > different? > > > B) What do you mean by saying that "if what we believe isn't > > real > > then why > > > would we be dying for our faith?"? Something does not have to be > > real for > > > men to die for it. I don't understand this point at all. If we > > accept your > > > statement as true, then we must believe that those who died for > > "other" > > > faiths that were "not" true did not die! And what of the millions > > upon > > > millions that have died in the last century of war? They may not > > have died > > > for something that was tangibly "real", but they did die, there is > > no > > > denying that. > > > C) Yes, I will agree, current research indicates that a > > Jewish rabbi > > by the > > > name of Jesus Christ (or the Hebrew equivalent thereof) did exist > > around > > the > > > time and place of the New Testament. However, that does not mean > > that he > > was > > > a superior being of any sort. It is likely that Jesus never > > claimed to the > > > son of the Jewish god, but that Paul made most of that up decades > > later. > > But > > > let's be logical, how can anyone prove a resurrection that > > supposedly > > > occurred 2000 or so years ago? There's no way to prove that. > > However, if > > you > > > can show me documentation of "proof" of any of this, I'd be very > > interested. > > > Look, I mean no disrespect to you or to your faith. I mean > > only to > > question > > > these statements that you seem to accept as true without much > > consideration. > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk > > Teksasu > > > International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation > > and > > > Perpetuation of Free Will > > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss > > list, visit: > > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp