================================================ Subject: Re: Odp: RE: NCR/ RR: CAPPFW site From: "Creed - 7M3 - Live" To: Date: Mon 7 May 2001 18:12:49 -0400 ================================================ As long as you aren't against challenging what is claimed to be real. I can go for it. But I have to have my escape from established reality, on occasion. Jackson Crawford wrote: > We're definitely not against imagination - by realism, we mean that we >acknowledge what is and what is not real, something that a great many people >have difficulty doing. I support all kinds of imagining and dreaming and >whatnot, but I think it important that we know what is real and what is >engendered purely by the mind, whether ours or an other's. > Thanks as always for your input JIm. And what an appropriate quote that >that was at the bottom! > >Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu >International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and >Perpetuation of Free Will > >-----Original Message----- >From: Creed - 7M3 - Live [mailto:creed7m3live@columbus.rr.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:13 PM >To: Jackson Crawford >Cc: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM >Subject: Re: NCR/ RR: CAPPFW site > >Qualities of belief; >/Spontaneity/ - acting from native feeling, proneness, or temperament, >without constraint or external force. >/Free Will/ - The power asserted of moral beings of willing or choosing >without the restraints of physical or absolute necessity. >/Nepenthe/ - A drug used by the ancients to give relief from pain and >sorrow; -- by some supposed to have been opium or hasheesh. > Hence, anything soothing and comforting. (I take it that you are >talking about anything soothing or comforting.) >/Doubt/ - To hesitate in belief; to be undecided as to the truth of the >negative or the affirmative proposition; to b e undetermined. >/Individualism/ - the theory or practice of maintaining the >independence of individual initiative, action, and interests, as in > industrial organization or in government. >/Realism/ - Fidelity to nature or to real life; representation without >idealization, and making no appeal to the imagination; adherence to the >actual fact. >/Pragmatism/ - The quality or state of being pragmatic (Philosophical; >dealing with causes, reasons, and effects,rather than with details and circumstances;) -; in literature, the >pragmatic, or philosophical, method. > >-- >Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. There are many examples of >outsiders who eventually overthrew entrenched scientific orthodoxies, but >they prevailed with irrefutable data. More often, egregious findings that >contradict well-established research turn out to be artifacts. I have >argued that accepting psychic powers, reincarnation, "cosmic conciousness," >and the like, would entail fundamental revisions of the foundations of >neuroscience. Before abandoning materialist theories of mind that have paid >handsome dividends, we should insist on better evidence for psi phenomena >than presently exists, especially when neurology and psychology themselves >offer more plausible alternatives. >- Barry L. Beyerstein, "The Brain and Conciousness: Implications for Psi > Phenomena", The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. XII No. 2, ppg. 163-171 > -- We rarely find anyone who can say he has lived a happy life, and who, content with his life, can retire from the world like a satisfied guest. -- Quintus Horatius Flaccus (Horace) To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp