================================================ Subject: Odp: RE: NCR/ RR: CAPPFW site From: "Jackson Crawford" To: Date: Mon 7 May 2001 15:20:51 -0500 ================================================ We're definitely not against imagination - by realism, we mean that we acknowledge what is and what is not real, something that a great many people have difficulty doing. I support all kinds of imagining and dreaming and whatnot, but I think it important that we know what is real and what is engendered purely by the mind, whether ours or an other's. Thanks as always for your input JIm. And what an appropriate quote that that was at the bottom! Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and Perpetuation of Free Will -----Original Message----- From: Creed - 7M3 - Live [mailto:creed7m3live@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:13 PM To: Jackson Crawford Cc: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM Subject: Re: NCR/ RR: CAPPFW site Jackson, I went to your website and looked around and found it interesting to the seven saints. I was going to post a message on the board, but I'm "hotmail free" and have no interest in MSN or copyrighted or exclusive operating systems. Anyway, I'm definately for the perpetiation of free will and believe in the perpetuation of a persons "center". Although the ideal of not supposing or imagining holds me from "Realism" since it would imply that I acted 100 percent as to the environment. Which would confuse me to which plane of reality that I'm on. (spiritual, concrete, hypothetical, etc;) I do believe in native feelings, though I realize that thought needs to be applied to consequences of spontaneity. As for anything that could cause one to feel soothed. I'd say that music is a strong part. along with some great weather and a little organic stimulation. Though an opiate would not be one of my choices. I have doubt, as to why, but will suppose to an unknown, until I'm given concrete evidence or convincing thought as to believe differently. As you can see, I suppose a lot. Except for nuclear or numeric sciences. Though, they have been proven wrong on occasion. A little of all, Jim PS - Read the PSI quote on the end of the email. Qualities of belief; /Spontaneity/ - acting from native feeling, proneness, or temperament, without constraint or external force. /Free Will/ - The power asserted of moral beings of willing or choosing without the restraints of physical or absolute necessity. /Nepenthe/ - A drug used by the ancients to give relief from pain and sorrow; -- by some supposed to have been opium or hasheesh. Hence, anything soothing and comforting. (I take it that you are talking about anything soothing or comforting.) /Doubt/ - To hesitate in belief; to be undecided as to the truth of the negative or the affirmative proposition; to b e undetermined. /Individualism/ - the theory or practice of maintaining the independence of individual initiative, action, and interests, as in industrial organization or in government. /Realism/ - Fidelity to nature or to real life; representation without idealization, and making no appeal to the imagination; adherence to the actual fact. /Pragmatism/ - The quality or state of being pragmatic (Philosophical; dealing with causes, reasons, and effects, rather than with details and circumstances;) -; in literature, the pragmatic, or philosophical, method. Jackson Crawford wrote: > Hey everyone, I thought that I'd let you know that we at the CAPPFW >(Corvist Association for the Preservation and Perpetuation of Free Will) >have recently begun (at absolutely no expense to ourselves, cheap as we are) >to construct a web-site at http://communities.msn.com/CAPPFW > You're free to visit at your own leisure, but keep in mind that right now >it still needs a lot of work and is nowhere near completion. This site >probably won't be "big enough" in the long run, but it suits us just fine >for the time being. > Just thought I'd let everyone know - thanks for your support! > >Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu >International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and >Perpetuation of Free Will > -- Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. There are many examples of outsiders who eventually overthrew entrenched scientific orthodoxies, but they prevailed with irrefutable data. More often, egregious findings that contradict well-established research turn out to be artifacts. I have argued that accepting psychic powers, reincarnation, "cosmic conciousness," and the like, would entail fundamental revisions of the foundations of neuroscience. Before abandoning materialist theories of mind that have paid handsome dividends, we should insist on better evidence for psi phenomena than presently exists, especially when neurology and psychology themselves offer more plausible alternatives. - Barry L. Beyerstein, "The Brain and Conciousness: Implications for Psi Phenomena", The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. XII No. 2, ppg. 163-171 To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp