================================================ Subject: Odp: RE: NCR Re: Re: died in dreams???? ..... Were you "reincarnated"? From: "Jackson Crawford" To: Date: Sat 5 May 2001 22:15:06 -0500 ================================================ Those ideas on death are sort of like what I believed before I turned atheist, namely that what a person believed in determined his afterlife or lack thereof, based on a system of "faith" and "hypocrisy". When you died, if your hypocrisy points exceeded your faith points, you were punished according to the religion that you professed belief in, or if your faith exceeded your hypocrisy, you were rewarded accordingly. But since atheists had neither faith nor hypocrisy, they simply disappeared. I would hope that, in the big IF that your God and Satan exist, that something like this happens. I would sure hate to be eternally punished simply because I rejected the idea that some deity existed. No, I don't think that someone can make something happen just by willing it to. What process could possibly make that possible? What is physically happening whenever we think? Naught. Ergo, if naught is physically happening, naught can be physically affected. Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and Perpetuation of Free Will -----Original Message----- From: Tara [mailto:tknapp@tucker-usa.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 5:49 PM To: Jackson Crawford; CreedList Subject: Re: NCR Re: Re: died in dreams???? ..... Were you "reincarnated"? I guess I'm referring to more "spiritual" type things in the "have to know about it to believe it" line of thought. For example, some cultures that aren't part of modern society don't believe in the Christian God, but their reason is simply that they've never heard the Western concepts of religion. They can't believe in "our" version of God, because they've never heard of it. I read a book when I was a kid called "On a Pale Horse"... the main character was Death. His job was to go around and, at the moment a person died, collect their soul. He'd then take his bag of souls and determine whether the soul was bound for heaven, hell, or purgatory. One man who's soul he was sent to collect was a devout atheist. Upon the man's passing, Death tried to collect the soul... but the soul just dissolved into dust. Death's reasoning was that the man's conviction was so strong, that he willed his soul not to exist beyond death... his soul couldn't be sent to whatever was beyond death, because he didn't believe in anything after death. (And in this book, God and Satan were both real beings). Just an interesting thought... can a person make something happen by believing in it (or against it) strongly enough? Might explain miracles, and how people can walk on coals without being injured, and that sort of thing... Tara To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp