================================================ Subject: Odp: RE: Ending- philosophy question.. Beginning dreams question From: "Jackson Crawford" To: Date: Fri 4 May 2001 20:05:20 -0500 ================================================ Well, that's a slightly different slant on the numerical and literal thinkers than I had intended. What I meant was that some think more in terms of "litterae" (letters/ words) and others more in "nvmeri" (numbers). This accounts in especial for the division betwixt the pure (i.e. numerical) and the social (i.e. literal) sciences. On the subject of song inspirations, the only one that I know to have been produced by a drugged mind is "Illusion". Most of the rest in MOP seem inspired by real hardships, though I always thought that the song MOP was at least allegorically, if not totally literally, concerned with divine judgment and subsequent damnation. The songs on HC on the other hand seem mostly to be dream-states, other than AYR, which seems like a direct address to those amongst us trying to separate from the crowd, WI which is directed at the media, WAWO which is pre'y obvious, WATY which is also obvious, and IUA which seems to be about losing friendships but maintaining hope. Something like that...I don't know, I'm rather aggravated right now with the falling-through of these plans, leaving me at home on another Friday night...arrrrrrrgh...I've GOT to do something tomorrow. Anyway, on to the next message... Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and Perpetuation of Free Will -----Original Message----- From: Creed - 7M3 - Live [mailto:creed7m3live@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:06 PM To: Jackson Crawford Cc: CreedList Subject: Re: Ending- philosophy question.. Beginning dreams question Interesting concept about the numerical and the literal thinker. I'm usually a technical thinker. Taking into account subjects from about three different possibilities to come up with a conclusion. I take it that a numeric thinker is just one that is exposed to a lot of different things. Since they have been around awhile. So i guess I'm a little bit of a blend of the two. The dream question fits into the said theme of the HC album. So it is a good question to pose to the album. Which songs are based on imagination. Which ones might be from drug induced states of minds and which ones are inspired by hardships in the real world. You can throw in which ones are religiously inspired or mocked also. Jackson Crawford wrote: > This subject line is getting out of hand! > Well, I shouldn't think that the dream world is the real world, because >I've died there several times over. Interesting idea, though! > I don't think that i "have you beaten" in any area. You're older than me, >which gives you experience that is arguably much more helpful in making >decisions than simple, raw knowledge. It might be reasonable to assume that >you are a numerical and that I am a literal thinker, however, because the >lines between these two types are sometimes confused as the lines between >the fools and the wisemen, whenever the crowd doing the judgment is >predominantly one of the two. > Hope to see more of this discussion in the future, but for now, I need to >be going. Have fun everyone, and rock on! >Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu >International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and >Perpetuation of Free Will > >-----Original Message----- >From: Creed - 7M3 - Live [mailto:creed7m3live@columbus.rr.com] >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:59 PM >To: Jackson Crawford >Cc: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM >Subject: Re: Odp: RE: Odp: RE: Way NCR - philosophy question > > >It just sounds strange to me that we learn all of this stuff and do not >continue the information or being after our lives. It's strange that >some people think that you become reincarnated into lifeforms according >to your deeds. Others believe that the dream world is the real world and >this world is the dream world. >Anyway, I would like believe that after I pass through this being. I >dont become like a computer turned off and the cord cut off. I'd like to >believe that I continue on with being and presence and have an active >growing conscience. Being that I'm dispersing energy and matter. I hope >I can hold my being together to transcend into a different and better >plane of existence. >I have no idea of how we got here or if the universe was helped along by >matter that could direct other matter and energy into its own design. Or >if it had conscienceness enough to botch things up enough to give us the >present state of the universe. >Anyway, I guess that familiarity breeds conformity, stability and the >lack of design or conscience expansion. (Thus backward religions that >hold out against the evils of electricity, technology and certain >actions.Wear sheets, worship cows, golden idols, livestock and maybe >even the folks like myself that believe that my being is bonded >together, interacts with floating conscious energy that help me out and >protects me.) >Also, I'm impressed by your intellect and you being 15 from previous >mails that I read. I guess age doesn't determine the amount of >intellectual being. Because you sound like you have me beat in a lot of >phylosophical areas already. > >In another note to the basher turned Creed curious. Welcome back to the >list. As others stated about the album. It will be produced by John >again on his shuffling amoung other album projects. The album isn't >going to be started until July. The album will be either late this year >or early next year. > >Jackson Crawford wrote: > >> This is interesting, in especial because your concept of the >> >universe's > >>being an accident implies that there was something/ someone there that had >>other intentions, that slipped up and brought it in to existence by >> >mistake, > >>without intending to do so ("Damn! Does a new plane of existence just HAVE >>to form every time that I make instant coffee?"). >> The idea of the existence of conscious or even semi-conscious >> >"energy" or > >>"matter" beyond our current knowledge and concept of life is absolutely >>fascinating. Frankly, though, I'm no physical scientist and I do not intend >>to be one, so I can't really offer any ideas in our search for that which >> >we > >>cannot truly define. I'll stick to more familiar territory. >> >>Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu >>International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and >>Perpetuation of Free Will >> >-- >Priority: > A statement of the importance of a user or a program. Often > expressed as a relative priority, indicating that the user doesn't > care when the work is completed so long as he is treated less > badly than someone else. > > > > -- The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. -- Mark Twain To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp