================================================ Subject: Re: NCR-Michigan AP concert June 23rd From: To: Date: Wed 2 May 2001 07:12:05 -0400 ================================================ Tara, I am definately thinking about going! I have to talk to Victor to see if we can afford it though. We are leaving for Florida the first week in July so I don't know if we will have the funds. But I will let ya know!! ~Michele Tara wrote: > > I know Scott already mentioned this once, but I figured I'd bring it up > again with it's own subject line. =) Anyone else planning on being at the > American Pearl concert coming up next month? Perhaps any of us planning on > going could find a place to meet up before the show, since there are seats > for the show (at least on my tickets)? For those of you who don't know, > it's the Harleyfest on June 23rd, starts at 5 PM... featured artist is Kenny > Wayne Shepherd, with American Pearl, Days of the New, and Econoline Crush... > price is $15/$30. Let me know... > > Tara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tara > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question > > > > The thing is, I don't think there's any way to avoid passing on > information > > to future generations. Unless a society could live in such a way that > > almost no trace of their existence survived their passing, there would be > > things left for future generations to learn from (pictures, writings, > tools, > > buildings, etc.)... there's also the matter of passing on information from > > parent to child. In our culture, we have the in-between stage of > > adolescence, so children don't generally leave home until 18 or so... but > > even in cultures without an adolescent stage, where children are > considered > > adults at 12, 13 years old, that still means over a decade of picking up > > information from parents or caregivers. I also think people are curious > by > > nature, and that left to their own resources, advancement would still > > happen, it just wouldn't be able to progress beyond a certain level. Each > > new generation would start the cycle over again. (Instead of going from > > Point A, to Point B, to Point C, and so on; people would go from Point A > to > > Point B, but most people wouldn't live long enough to "think" themselves > to > > Point C and beyond without the assistance of people in the past doing some > > of the thinking for them). People also like to pass along their thoughts > > (hence the popularity of the internet?), so man would have to evolve from > a > > social creature into a solitary one in order to avoid sharing thoughts, > imo. > > I don't see life ending until a person loses all joy in living, and that > can > > occur at any age (or not at all). I see the point about the switch in > > priorities that happens at puberty... but the way I see it, life doesn't > end > > then, because you can't bring a new life into the world until that point. > > And for me, my two boys are the purpose of my life. > > My argument against creation is, why can't the universe have either > randomly > > created itself, or just have always been? The relgious argument is that > the > > universe is just too perfectly balanced to have been an accident. Well, > > what about God (or whatever deity said person believes in?) If the > argument > > is that the universe had to have been created because of it's balance, > then > > why can't we say the same about God? Wouldn't something have had to > create > > God also, because of his perfection? In all reality, I'm still deciding > > what I believe in, but I'm one of those people who can usually argue both > > sides of any debate, whether I believe in the side I'm arguing or not. > > Makes for some long nights sometimes, trying to decide which end of a > debate > > is the "better" one, when I can see the positives and negatives to both. > > Guess I've rambled plenty long enough... g'night. > > > > Tara > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Creed - 7M3 - Live > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:05 PM > > Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question > > > > > > > Basically I was talking about the awareness of being and thinking passes > > > on through the ages. If it is a thing that passes the organic being and > > > stays together and is able to survive after the body. (Energy and > > > matter) fails and all that was is now energy and changing matter > > > (reabsorbed into nature). > > > In short, is there a spirituality that stays there after death and is it > > > organized into something that evolves into something greater. > > > Also, is what we pass on to the generations that follow all that there > > > is to advancement of "man". If we all lived a normal life span and did > > > not pass on information. would the people all stay at the same level? > > > > > > The faculty, power, or inward principle which decides as to the > > > character of one's own actions, purposes, and > > > affections, warning against and condemning that which is wrong, and > > > approving and prompting to that which is right; > > > the moral faculty passing judgment on one's self; the moral sense. > > > > > > About Scott writing down his thoughts as a release to the problems in > > > his life. I think that a lot of people had very similar thoughts and > > > emotions as the songs to MOP reveal. Otherwise, the whole album would of > > > not touched the hearts and minds of people. > > > > > > LOL about the 40 thing. Others that beat me to it have told me that you > > > just get old. But I still like a lot of the things that I used to when I > > > was under 40. So it is just an age thing. It is all a matter of thought > > > and health. > > > I don't think that it begins there though. I'd agree with Jackson that > > > the time you hit puberty (let's say 13 as average) your interests shift > > > from a playful nature to a sexually oriented nature. > > > Just as to your question to the nature of the universe. It may be alive. > > > But is not really any good without something to be aware of its being. > > > If it was beautiful. Who would know? What purpose would it serve? It > > > would exist and may grow but it would just be. > > > I'd say that the universe had to be created by something that was aware > > > of itself. Since a random and unaware universe does not sound like it > > > could of ever of been. > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > Tara wrote: > > > > > > >Do you mean recent past, or far past? To make it Creed related... > > > >technically, Scott's knowledge of his past helped him to create the > > lyrics > > > >he writes... and if you consider fame, money, and having millions of > > people > > > >singing along to the words you wrote a good thing, then it helped him. > > But > > > >if you mean going back into the distant past, then I can't make that > > Creed > > > >related. (At least not of the top of my head). > > > >As far as when life begins... I guess I can let you know what I think > > when I > > > >get to 40. ;) > > > > > > > >Tara > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Creed - 7M3 - Live > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:14 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question > > > > > > > >> > > > >>The concience is a better question. Does the knowledge of the past > ever > > > >>really do any good? Or is it a factor of the political times? Does > life > > > >>really begin at 40 or are you just too darn old? > > > >> > > > >>JC > > > >> > > > >>Tara wrote: > > > >> > > > >>>Does Nietzsche's concept of the eternal recurrence contradict his own > > belief > > > >>> > > > >>>that the universe is not self-engendered? > > > >>> > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Many people feel that if you won't let them make you happy, they'll > make > > you suffer. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > When the wind is great, bow before it; > > > when the wind is heavy, yield to it. > > > > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, > > visit: > > > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > > > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, > visit: > > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp