================================================ Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question From: "Creed - 7M3 - Live" To: Date: Wed 2 May 2001 21:43:26 -0400 ================================================ Basically Tara, I like and agree with what you said. I sure enjoyed reading your thoughts on the contemplations anyway. I agree with you on many fronts. Especially about the curiosity of man and the interactions between parents and thier brought into the word children. Even though the children don't seem to ever turn out as a direct reflection of what the parent may desire. They do seem to at least catch a "weekend or two" of the childhood and in our culture the 13 to 18 year old span of care. Watching children grow up. Especially those of your direct participation in bringing about really do add to the purpose of a lot of lives. Others view it as an end to their more unrestrained lives by taking on the responsibility of other lives. I was sort of wondering about cultures that label things bad. Such as Rock music being the devil's music and others that believe that electricity is an un-natural evil manmade invention. Anyway, I discovered that electricity is a thing that always was. It is a part of nature. The only thing is that if you cannot figure out how to control it. It is just something that causes your hair to literally stand on end or causes the skies to burn down forests. Rock music is pretty much energetic and creative in my opinion. Not a tool of some anti-creative being with evil intentions. So they can holy roller thierselves into some very boring and restricted environment of music. Back on subject line though. i agree that even if one generation failed to pass on advancing knowledge to the following generations. Man would only cycle to point B. He could never live long enough to learn all that is learnable. nor would each future generation ever cross the same paths or go in the same directions with thoughts. To pass on the idea of the universe always being or just happened to be. It might be the case. That is! If we had a super structured being that thought that it knew all and was perfect. Then it would of never made an imperfect world. But what caused the universe to take sucessful roads to continuing with creating more and more sucessful generations of itself? How come it didn't just live for itself and then cease to be? Wouldn't the major instinct of life to try to survive even against environmental and emotional challenges compell someone to believe that life had to be organized by some type of "cosmic glue" to evolve itself into a more conscious being? Why did life change from exact replicas of itself to changing into more advanced states of being. About the ending of life at 13. I guess I really never believed that in the first place. I think Jackson's humoristic comment to it ending at 13 instead of beginning at 40 gave me a little thought of as to when does life actually end. I don't ever see it ending unless it goes all mass (no active matter, but has gravity) or all energy (all active matter, but does not ever gather and only spreads itself out into forever going distances.) Heck, I'm just glad that i know that I'm here and that life is pretty decent. Although, like rasing children. It never quite goes through as planned. Except for the ocassional "weekend or two". Thanks Tara and Jackson. You gave me an outlet to see if anything that I believe makes any sense at all. JC ----------- Tara wrote: >The thing is, I don't think there's any way to avoid passing on information >to future generations. Unless a society could live in such a way that >almost no trace of their existence survived their passing, there would be >things left for future generations to learn from (pictures, writings, tools, >buildings, etc.)... there's also the matter of passing on information from >parent to child. In our culture, we have the in-between stage of >adolescence, so children don't generally leave home until 18 or so... but >even in cultures without an adolescent stage, where children are considered >adults at 12, 13 years old, that still means over a decade of picking up >information from parents or caregivers. I also think people are curious by >nature, and that left to their own resources, advancement would still >happen, it just wouldn't be able to progress beyond a certain level. Each >new generation would start the cycle over again. (Instead of going from >Point A, to Point B, to Point C, and so on; people would go from Point A to >Point B, but most people wouldn't live long enough to "think" themselves to >Point C and beyond without the assistance of people in the past doing some >of the thinking for them). People also like to pass along their thoughts >(hence the popularity of the internet?), so man would have to evolve from a >social creature into a solitary one in order to avoid sharing thoughts, imo. >I don't see life ending until a person loses all joy in living, and that can >occur at any age (or not at all). I see the point about the switch in >priorities that happens at puberty... but the way I see it, life doesn't end >then, because you can't bring a new life into the world until that point. >And for me, my two boys are the purpose of my life. >My argument against creation is, why can't the universe have either randomly >created itself, or just have always been? The relgious argument is that the >universe is just too perfectly balanced to have been an accident. Well, >what about God (or whatever deity said person believes in?) If the argument >is that the universe had to have been created because of it's balance, then >why can't we say the same about God? Wouldn't something have had to create >God also, because of his perfection? In all reality, I'm still deciding >what I believe in, but I'm one of those people who can usually argue both >sides of any debate, whether I believe in the side I'm arguing or not. >Makes for some long nights sometimes, trying to decide which end of a debate >is the "better" one, when I can see the positives and negatives to both. >Guess I've rambled plenty long enough... g'night. > >Tara > -- The wages of sin are high but you get your money's worth. To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp