================================================ Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question From: "Tara" To: Date: Wed 2 May 2001 00:59:00 -0400 ================================================ The thing is, I don't think there's any way to avoid passing on information to future generations. Unless a society could live in such a way that almost no trace of their existence survived their passing, there would be things left for future generations to learn from (pictures, writings, tools, buildings, etc.)... there's also the matter of passing on information from parent to child. In our culture, we have the in-between stage of adolescence, so children don't generally leave home until 18 or so... but even in cultures without an adolescent stage, where children are considered adults at 12, 13 years old, that still means over a decade of picking up information from parents or caregivers. I also think people are curious by nature, and that left to their own resources, advancement would still happen, it just wouldn't be able to progress beyond a certain level. Each new generation would start the cycle over again. (Instead of going from Point A, to Point B, to Point C, and so on; people would go from Point A to Point B, but most people wouldn't live long enough to "think" themselves to Point C and beyond without the assistance of people in the past doing some of the thinking for them). People also like to pass along their thoughts (hence the popularity of the internet?), so man would have to evolve from a social creature into a solitary one in order to avoid sharing thoughts, imo. I don't see life ending until a person loses all joy in living, and that can occur at any age (or not at all). I see the point about the switch in priorities that happens at puberty... but the way I see it, life doesn't end then, because you can't bring a new life into the world until that point. And for me, my two boys are the purpose of my life. My argument against creation is, why can't the universe have either randomly created itself, or just have always been? The relgious argument is that the universe is just too perfectly balanced to have been an accident. Well, what about God (or whatever deity said person believes in?) If the argument is that the universe had to have been created because of it's balance, then why can't we say the same about God? Wouldn't something have had to create God also, because of his perfection? In all reality, I'm still deciding what I believe in, but I'm one of those people who can usually argue both sides of any debate, whether I believe in the side I'm arguing or not. Makes for some long nights sometimes, trying to decide which end of a debate is the "better" one, when I can see the positives and negatives to both. Guess I've rambled plenty long enough... g'night. Tara ----- Original Message ----- From: Creed - 7M3 - Live To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question > Basically I was talking about the awareness of being and thinking passes > on through the ages. If it is a thing that passes the organic being and > stays together and is able to survive after the body. (Energy and > matter) fails and all that was is now energy and changing matter > (reabsorbed into nature). > In short, is there a spirituality that stays there after death and is it > organized into something that evolves into something greater. > Also, is what we pass on to the generations that follow all that there > is to advancement of "man". If we all lived a normal life span and did > not pass on information. would the people all stay at the same level? > > The faculty, power, or inward principle which decides as to the > character of one's own actions, purposes, and > affections, warning against and condemning that which is wrong, and > approving and prompting to that which is right; > the moral faculty passing judgment on one's self; the moral sense. > > About Scott writing down his thoughts as a release to the problems in > his life. I think that a lot of people had very similar thoughts and > emotions as the songs to MOP reveal. Otherwise, the whole album would of > not touched the hearts and minds of people. > > LOL about the 40 thing. Others that beat me to it have told me that you > just get old. But I still like a lot of the things that I used to when I > was under 40. So it is just an age thing. It is all a matter of thought > and health. > I don't think that it begins there though. I'd agree with Jackson that > the time you hit puberty (let's say 13 as average) your interests shift > from a playful nature to a sexually oriented nature. > Just as to your question to the nature of the universe. It may be alive. > But is not really any good without something to be aware of its being. > If it was beautiful. Who would know? What purpose would it serve? It > would exist and may grow but it would just be. > I'd say that the universe had to be created by something that was aware > of itself. Since a random and unaware universe does not sound like it > could of ever of been. > > Later, > > Tara wrote: > > >Do you mean recent past, or far past? To make it Creed related... > >technically, Scott's knowledge of his past helped him to create the lyrics > >he writes... and if you consider fame, money, and having millions of people > >singing along to the words you wrote a good thing, then it helped him. But > >if you mean going back into the distant past, then I can't make that Creed > >related. (At least not of the top of my head). > >As far as when life begins... I guess I can let you know what I think when I > >get to 40. ;) > > > >Tara > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Creed - 7M3 - Live > >To: > >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:14 PM > >Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question > > > >> > >>The concience is a better question. Does the knowledge of the past ever > >>really do any good? Or is it a factor of the political times? Does life > >>really begin at 40 or are you just too darn old? > >> > >>JC > >> > >>Tara wrote: > >> > >>>Does Nietzsche's concept of the eternal recurrence contradict his own belief > >>> > >>>that the universe is not self-engendered? > >>> > > > >-- > >Many people feel that if you won't let them make you happy, they'll make you suffer. > > > > -- > When the wind is great, bow before it; > when the wind is heavy, yield to it. > > To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: > http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp