================================================ Subject: Re: Odp: RE: Way NCR - philosophy question From: "Creed - 7M3 - Live" To: Date: Tue 1 May 2001 23:26:08 -0400 ================================================ I like what you think on the intellect being passed on purely by generation to generation. Plus the ability to suppose and imagine possibilities based on the knowledge that you inherited by the cultures that pre-existed you. I have to admit that most of what I believe is strongly based on what others have passed on to the later generations. I also have to admit that I had to look up noetical to find out that it means the existence of intelligence. So i guess it is more knowledge that I can contribute to the physical world and the perpetuation of knowledge. But about the existence of an intellectual presence that guided things to be the way they are is interesting. I work in Electronics, so I realize that the existence of electronics is due to the discoveries of man and the application and supposing of different things that could be done with the thing found by accident. The guy that invented the first electronic circuit was just trying to find a way to keep the light bulb from fogging. But someone found out that the electricity only flowed one way. Then they kept building on ideas and accidental discoveries until they got where they are today. Anyway, my supposing is that the universe was one big accident. One thing led to another and the universe was created. But what is stopping the existence of a non-human and formless accumulation of energy and matter perpetuating the universe to its existence? Could the energy and matter organize itself in such a way that it structured organic life into its present state? I'm not saying that the energy and matter with conscieneness is an all powerful being that has a hold on all that was, all that is and all that will be. Though I could not rule out that possibility. Except that we all know that we would not have all the deviental factors that exist in our world. So proof of a super being is more of an easier to rule out possibility. Enough for now. As a computer would say "need more input" (Data to crunch) Later, Jim ------------- Jackson Crawford wrote: > Man Jim, we start thinking and we don't stop until we've "noticed the hell >out of everything", to borrow Jeff Rense's phrase, do we? > The advancement of man, hypothetically, would be noetically increased >entirely by what was passed on by the prior generation (okay, on the BASIS >of what was established in the prior generation), and also on what that >generation itself noetically accomplished. But there are physical things >like buildings which can affect other generations even after the originating >generation is past. And as a matter of course, matter does transmit to >another form and thus in a sense does get "passed on" to posterity. > If information was not passed on, I would contend that yes, man would stay >at basically the same mental level but might develop physically. > And I agree more-or-less on the universe issue; does its existence truly >effect ours? Does the question of its expansion or contraction or perpetuity >really affect our lives whatsoever? No, and ergo I'm going to leave that >alone. > But, how could a self-conscious being have created the universe if there >was no universe in which self-consciousness might exist before the >establishment of what we know as the universe? > I don't know, we'll have to see. But this is certainly the most interesting >discussion that we've had on the list lately. > Have fun everyone, and rock on! > >Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu >International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and >Perpetuation of Free Will > >-----Original Message----- >From: Creed Discussion List [mailto:CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM]On >Behalf Of Creed - 7M3 - Live >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 6:06 PM >To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM >Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question > > >Basically I was talking about the awareness of being and thinking passes >on through the ages. If it is a thing that passes the organic being and >stays together and is able to survive after the body. (Energy and >matter) fails and all that was is now energy and changing matter >(reabsorbed into nature). >In short, is there a spirituality that stays there after death and is it >organized into something that evolves into something greater. >Also, is what we pass on to the generations that follow all that there >is to advancement of "man". If we all lived a normal life span and did >not pass on information. would the people all stay at the same level? > >The faculty, power, or inward principle which decides as to the >character of one's own actions, purposes, and > affections, warning against and condemning that which is wrong, and >approving and prompting to that which is right; > the moral faculty passing judgment on one's self; the moral sense. > >About Scott writing down his thoughts as a release to the problems in >his life. I think that a lot of people had very similar thoughts and >emotions as the songs to MOP reveal. Otherwise, the whole album would of >not touched the hearts and minds of people. > >LOL about the 40 thing. Others that beat me to it have told me that you >just get old. But I still like a lot of the things that I used to when I >was under 40. So it is just an age thing. It is all a matter of thought >and health. >I don't think that it begins there though. I'd agree with Jackson that >the time you hit puberty (let's say 13 as average) your interests shift >from a playful nature to a sexually oriented nature. >Just as to your question to the nature of the universe. It may be alive. >But is not really any good without something to be aware of its being. >If it was beautiful. Who would know? What purpose would it serve? It >would exist and may grow but it would just be. >I'd say that the universe had to be created by something that was aware >of itself. Since a random and unaware universe does not sound like it >could of ever of been. > >Later, > >> >>>The concience is a better question. Does the knowledge of the past ever >>>really do any good? Or is it a factor of the political times? Does life >>>really begin at 40 or are you just too darn old? >>> >>>JC >>> >> >>Many people feel that if you won't let them make you happy, they'll make you suffer. >> > >-- >When the wind is great, bow before it; >when the wind is heavy, yield to it. > -- There are few people more often in the wrong than those who cannot endure to be thought so. To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp