================================================ Subject: Odp: RE: Way NCR - philosophy question From: "Jackson Crawford" To: Date: Tue 1 May 2001 21:12:29 -0500 ================================================ Man Jim, we start thinking and we don't stop until we've "noticed the hell out of everything", to borrow Jeff Rense's phrase, do we? The advancement of man, hypothetically, would be noetically increased entirely by what was passed on by the prior generation (okay, on the BASIS of what was established in the prior generation), and also on what that generation itself noetically accomplished. But there are physical things like buildings which can affect other generations even after the originating generation is past. And as a matter of course, matter does transmit to another form and thus in a sense does get "passed on" to posterity. If information was not passed on, I would contend that yes, man would stay at basically the same mental level but might develop physically. And I agree more-or-less on the universe issue; does its existence truly effect ours? Does the question of its expansion or contraction or perpetuity really affect our lives whatsoever? No, and ergo I'm going to leave that alone. But, how could a self-conscious being have created the universe if there was no universe in which self-consciousness might exist before the establishment of what we know as the universe? I don't know, we'll have to see. But this is certainly the most interesting discussion that we've had on the list lately. Have fun everyone, and rock on! Jackson Wade Crawford - The Raven of Texas/ Corvvs Texanis/ Kruk Teksasu International Director, Corvist Association for the Preservation and Perpetuation of Free Will -----Original Message----- From: Creed Discussion List [mailto:CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM]On Behalf Of Creed - 7M3 - Live Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 6:06 PM To: CREED-DISCUSS@WINDUPLIST.COM Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question Basically I was talking about the awareness of being and thinking passes on through the ages. If it is a thing that passes the organic being and stays together and is able to survive after the body. (Energy and matter) fails and all that was is now energy and changing matter (reabsorbed into nature). In short, is there a spirituality that stays there after death and is it organized into something that evolves into something greater. Also, is what we pass on to the generations that follow all that there is to advancement of "man". If we all lived a normal life span and did not pass on information. would the people all stay at the same level? The faculty, power, or inward principle which decides as to the character of one's own actions, purposes, and affections, warning against and condemning that which is wrong, and approving and prompting to that which is right; the moral faculty passing judgment on one's self; the moral sense. About Scott writing down his thoughts as a release to the problems in his life. I think that a lot of people had very similar thoughts and emotions as the songs to MOP reveal. Otherwise, the whole album would of not touched the hearts and minds of people. LOL about the 40 thing. Others that beat me to it have told me that you just get old. But I still like a lot of the things that I used to when I was under 40. So it is just an age thing. It is all a matter of thought and health. I don't think that it begins there though. I'd agree with Jackson that the time you hit puberty (let's say 13 as average) your interests shift from a playful nature to a sexually oriented nature. Just as to your question to the nature of the universe. It may be alive. But is not really any good without something to be aware of its being. If it was beautiful. Who would know? What purpose would it serve? It would exist and may grow but it would just be. I'd say that the universe had to be created by something that was aware of itself. Since a random and unaware universe does not sound like it could of ever of been. Later, Tara wrote: >Do you mean recent past, or far past? To make it Creed related... >technically, Scott's knowledge of his past helped him to create the lyrics >he writes... and if you consider fame, money, and having millions of people >singing along to the words you wrote a good thing, then it helped him. But >if you mean going back into the distant past, then I can't make that Creed >related. (At least not of the top of my head). >As far as when life begins... I guess I can let you know what I think when I >get to 40. ;) > >Tara > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Creed - 7M3 - Live >To: >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:14 PM >Subject: Re: Way NCR - philosophy question > >> >>The concience is a better question. Does the knowledge of the past ever >>really do any good? Or is it a factor of the political times? Does life >>really begin at 40 or are you just too darn old? >> >>JC >> >>Tara wrote: >> >>>Does Nietzsche's concept of the eternal recurrence contradict his own belief >>> >>>that the universe is not self-engendered? >>> > >-- >Many people feel that if you won't let them make you happy, they'll make you suffer. > -- When the wind is great, bow before it; when the wind is heavy, yield to it. 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