================================================ Subject: Re: Infighting From: To: Date: Sun 17 Feb 2002 13:06:16 EST ================================================ I agree. I care deeply about the people on this list. I feel something I'm not used to in life...like part of the group. But I didn't feel that way for a long time. Can we all just make an effort to be polite at LEAST in the first response we send to someone? If they continue in ignorance...bash away. I'll admit, I love coming here for a good laugh, and watching someone have a new asshole torn. But if most of the list is like me: they learn from DOING, and will pick up on the right way to work with the list once it's explained. I know I fucked up quite a bit when I joined. But everyone was nice enough to correct me politely. That's why I'm still here, and I wouldn't trade my friendships on the list for anything. And being critical of someone posting for the first time will only make them defensive which will cause more problems and whining later. I know the fighting here will never stop, and frankly it doesn't bother me anyway. But I'd like to see people try not to create NEW enemies. Let's make people feel welcome. Jen In a message dated 2/15/2002 10:10:50 PM Central Standard Time, tknapp@TUCKER-USA.COM writes: << This list has been accused of being 'cliquey' many times in the past, but this is the first time since I joined that I'd agree with that statement. I get the impression of newbies being forcefully shoved away from the group (to use your analogy), instead of anyone giving them the benefit of the doubt. Rather than saying that the new people should wait before posting anything to the list, why shouldn't we all just be patient with them for the first week or two they're on? As far as the To line topic... list responses being sent privately happens a lot, especially with new people. Most of the people who receive them will simply forward them with a "I think you meant for this to go to the list" and an explanation of how to go about doing so. If you've responded to mailing lists with "Reply" 1,000 times, and then you join up on this list, you might not even bother looking at the to line, going on the assumption that it'll work the way just about every other mailing list out there works... it's just a habit. When I hit "Reply" on an e-mail from my mom, my assumption is that it'll be her address, and only her address, in the to line, and not send to my sister too. Just an example... might not be too clear, but hey, I'm trying! It's the same thing with the footers with the unsubscribe info. I'm so used to seeing "Sign up for hotmail!" and "Yahoo mail rocks!" and other assorted spam down there that I usually don't pay attention to the bottom of the mails. >> To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp