================================================ Subject: Re: Infighting From: "Joe Earles" To: Date: Fri 15 Feb 2002 18:28:08 -0500 ================================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tara" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Infighting > There's such a thing as taking a joke too far, and I think that's part of > what's happening. I know you and Debbi pretty well, and I know that you > both snark for the fun of it. The problem is, new people aren't going to > know enough about anyone here to know if they're joking or purposefully > being cruel. Even knowing you (and the others who've taken up the snark), I > think that some of the responses are rude and out of line. It's a > reasonable assumption that hitting reply would send the response to the > list Yes. I agree. I also know that the way the reply command is structured on this list is flawed. Reply, on most e-mail lists, sends replies back to the list and Reply All sends to the list and sends a copy to the individual. While this list is flawed in that regard, I can only assume that the person hitting Reply can READ the contents of the "To:" line and recognize whether this is the action they wish to take. > - so the person made the mistake of not looking at the "To:" line, > that's still no reason to call them an idiot. Okay, how about if we say s/he has a "relaxed brain" instead... > There's no reason to bash Jim > relentlessly when he hasn't even been involved in the discussion at hand. I think Jim gets picked on a lot because he makes himself an easy target. He also has a tendency to be extremely annoying to certain people to the point of (I believe knowingly) egging them on. I don't necessarily get a bad vibe from him, but I do find him to be arrogant to a degree that is incongruent to his ability (or concession) to articulate his thoughts and ideas. > There's no reason to start a fight with a new list member who overreacted to > what was essentially a joke. New people should stay out of it until they have a feel for what's going on here. Showing up here and then within hours of subscribing sending a token "shame on you" message to the list is stupid. Period. > I like and get along with the majority of the people on this list, and I'm > not intending to anger anyone. I can understand the bashing of certain > people (Beth comes to mind immediately, for those who remember her). But I > don't understand why it seems like some of the 'oldies' are trying to run > off half of the new people to the list. You've never tried to break into an existing circle of friends or into a tightly-woven clique have you? > And I don't understand why some > people have to bash others so often that it just becomes cruelty. Because some of us just get really tired of dealing with people who might be intelligent enough to get by in the real world but don't think beyond the first layer or two of brain cells. The simple act of reading the header info on an e-mail before you send it and BEING CERTAIN OF WHERE IT'S GOING WHEN IT LEAVES YOUR OUTBOX being a prime example. Publicly asking to be unsubscribed when the MAJORITY of e-mails that hit the list have the unsub info tagged to the end is another (and for the record it's been pointed out to me, privately, that this is not a universal rule - messages going to AO-HELL don't always get it - however, the original control message that confirms your subscription also has that info leaving even the AO-HELLers among us without excuse). > But again, all of this is just my opinion. <--- obligatory disclaimer > adapted from Dennis Miller And you're entitled to hold to it and express it. Isn't the Internet a wonderful thing? To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp