well, thank you all for the help with the creed fonts.

Nightstorm and Ladies Man in particular: thanx.

i got that all downloaded and in use now.

Lynn- hope you picked that all up too, i know you were look'n for it.

i did find another that seemed very similar to me. its call Celtic Garamond.

http://www.1001freefonts.com/fontfiles/cfonts11.htm 

thats the link if ya want to check it out. i think its really close too, but there are some differences.

anyways. thanx again.

creedfreak