from a certain point of view they are pretty much the same band....what is a
band but just men or women getting together and making music.   does it
matter what music they do sing or dont sing.  they dont have to sing the same
music to be considered DOTN or Tantric, all i said it was the same band minus
Travis.  DOTN without lead singer under new name not singing old shit =
tantric, or in laymans terms like i said before pretty much the same band.