================================================ Subject: Re: but i must say Pearl Jam is WAYYYY better then CREED for now anyway! From: "Tara" To: Date: Mon 21 Jan 2002 05:50:35 -0500 ================================================ MessageI'm personally not going to say anything bad about you. I'll state my opinion that it might not be the best idea to try to defend your opinion while you're drunk, and I might say something 'bad' (i.e. a differing opinion) about your comments. But I won't personally attack you, just respond to what you've said here. First, if you've been on the list for eight months, you should know by now that the actual Creed content is fairly low when compared to the non-Creed content, especially when there were no Creed happenings going on. In fact, the list has a LOT more Creed related posts now than it did eight months ago, so why would you choose now to complain about it? You should also be aware that a lot of friendships have formed on (and off) the list, so when a former list member comes back, it's safe to assume that the list members who have talked to that person in the past are going to welcome that person back. It's also a fact that there ARE some comparisons between Creed and Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, both bands play THE EXACT SAME SEVEN NOTES IN ALL THEIR SONGS! (12 if you want to get technical and count sharps and flats). But beyond that, the vocalists have a similar range, the style is similar, some of the themes are similar... I would say the same thing regardless of which band became popular first. I personally never mistook the two bands, but that may be because I was already familiar with Pearl Jam's work; and because the first time I heard Creed, I was able to listen to the entire album (MOP) in it's entirety. But I can see where the comparisons can be made. And trust me, I'm a much bigger Creed fan than I am of Pearl Jam. Given that I'm relatively familiar with Pearl Jam's music, and very familiar with Creed's music, I'm also capable of pointing out a lot of differences in their music, and I doubt I would ever mistake one band for the other. But to paraphrase Debbi, someone who's only heard one or two songs by each band could very well think that they're one and the same, at least until they've become familiar with one or both bands. Just because Creed happens to be my favorite band doesn't mean that I think they're perfect (either as a band or as individuals). It doesn't mean that their tone and style aren't similar to other bands that I like (or those I don't like). It doesn't mean that I'm never allowed to say anything that could be remotely perceived as negative about them. What it DOES mean is that I like their music as a whole better than any other band's music on a whole at this point in my life. I really didn't like Bullets when I first heard it, I didn't care much for the album cover when I first saw it... that doesn't mean that I'm "anti-Creed", and neither does someone stating their opinion that Creed and Pearl Jam are similar. To me, "anti-Creed" would be more along the lines of accusing Creed of flat-out copying PJ just so they could get rich and famous by riding Pearl Jam's aging coattails. And as far as personal comments posted to the list - it's been happening for as long as I've been on this list (which is longer than 8 months), and I doubt it's going to stop just because some of the list members don't like it. You're not the first person to complain about it, you won't be the last, but other than a total crackdown of the list and switching it to a moderated forum (which would pretty much wreck the list, imo), I don't see it stopping. However, those who post stupid, inane comments just to irritate the other members of the list are likely to find themselves being removed. This list is unmoderated, but there are still people in charge, and those people have proven that they'll take action if things on the list get too out of hand. So my suggestion would be that if you don't like what's being posted on the list, then you take one of three actions: 1. Delete the posts you don't like; 2. Block the people who post what you feel are stupid comments; or, 3. Unsubscribe from the list. Because if you insist on wasting other people's bandwidths and time, and the list's post limit, with completely stupid things every day, my bet is that you'll get a lecture from the list administrator. And if you continue to do it after being warned, you'll probably find yourself involuntarily removed from the mailing list by the same list admin. So please, just play nice, and if you disagree with something said on the list - either ignore it or respond to it intelligently. (And on another note - I don't agree with censorship either, but there are times and places when it's better to simply hold back some of the stronger language, or try to find alternate wording. This list is one of those places, since there's no age limit to subscribe, or at least there wasn't last I heard. Not to mention, some people find cussing and swearing offensive, redundant and/or a sign of limited intelligence). Tara -----Original Message----- From: Derf8469@aol.com [mailto:Derf8469@aol.com] i did not read the last 20 messages but i just wanted everybody to know, since everybody has somthing bad to say about me, that i am going to bed, and i will respond to each every single response tomorrow since for the last 8 months i have read personal responses on this creed list that i thought was going to be totally about creed or at least somewhat creed related but instead for the last 8 months i have read somethings like "hey sue, its nice to hear from you thought you fell off the face of the earth" or "creed is so much like PJ", which in my experince in life happens to be usually something an anti creed fan would write or somebody who is a bigger fan of pearl jam then a creed fan, but for a list that is suppose to be a Creed fan list why would you write something like that. i am a big fan of the 1st amendment, i am anti censorship and think it should not be around, i beleive in free porn and cursing all over the place i am just asking for stupidy to end. people act like they are huge creed fans but hey you do not practice what you preach. sorry for the run ons and missspellings but i am drunk at the moment. say all you want but shit, i know common sense when i see it and damn lets try to keep personal responses to singular e mails and not the whole god damn list. if not i will have something stupid to say every fucking day till the day i fucking die. yours truely Frederick To unsubscribe or change your preferences for the Creed-Discuss list, visit: http://www.winduplist.com/ls/discuss/form.asp